Talk:Alicia (album)/GA2

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 06:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will review this not only because it's the oldest albums GAN, but also due to your amazing work with me on GAs in the past! --K. Peake 06:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Use hlist instead for genres per Template:Infobox album
  • Hlist is used already. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Isento Sorry this was a typo; I meant use bullet points instead of hlist per the template. --K. Peake 06:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Are you sure soul is sourced as a genre for the album, as it is only mentioned that different tracks are sub-genres of soul and there are soul melodies?
  • Altogether, Alicia is described by The Line of Best Fit writer Udit Mahalingam as a collection of "orchestral pop, acoustic soul, and jittery contemporary R&B". isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Remove Swizz Beatz from producers because he only contributed to songwriting; the track listing itself shows this
  • Done. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Target "Show Me Love" to Show Me Love (Alicia Keys and Miguel song)
  • Done. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Remove stylization in brackets per Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 59#Why do we note all-caps stylisation?
  • Done. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "Keys' earliest work," → "Keys' earlier work," since the term "earliest" implies it goes back to her first releases
  • Further discussion of the music in Critical reception supports that implication. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Are you sure the suggested wording isn't better though, as the musical style section is more detailed on this subject? --K. Peake 06:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• It is not sourced anywhere in the body that the ideas are shared in her memoir, plus identify the memoir by its full title like you have in the body
  • In Pareles' observations, the singer advocates equanimity "but it's often tinged with ambivalence", reflecting "misgivings, recriminations and regrets" shared in her memoir. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "The album was originally scheduled" → "Alicia was originally scheduled" since "the album" was used most recently at the end of the previous para
  • Done. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Target singles to Single (music)
  • Done. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "from Alicia prior to its release," → "from the album prior to release,"
  • Done. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "In its first week, the album debuted at number four on the American" → "In the first week of release, it debuted at number four on the US"
  • I kept "album" to avoid ambiguity with the preceding subjects, the singles. And "American" since that is the proper demonym and the acronym is used later on. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Can you change to the title instead because "the album" has been written most recently here? --K. Peake 06:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• "eighth top-10 release" → "eighth top-10 album" since it is fine to use the term in this context because "album" will not have been written earlier in this sentence
  • I used "record", less repetitive. isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "It was also a" → "Alicia was also a"
• "applauding her nuanced vocal performances" → "applauding Key's nuanced vocal performances" because you haven't mentioned her in this para
  • Mentioned in the previous sentence ("Keys' eighth top-10...")
• "were postponed due to" → "were rescheduled due to" for avoiding repetitive wording with the body

** I revised the body's "postponed" with "rescheduled". This sentence already has a form of "scheduled". isento (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• That is fine, as the only problem originally was repetitive wording with the body here. --K. Peake 06:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• • Revised. isento (talk) 04:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Changes per the rest. isento (talk) 06:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Recording and production

• Shouldn't the img have a full-stop at the end, especially since it already includes a comma?
  • No. Still a sentence fragment (MOS:CAPTION) isento (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "including New York's" → "including the city's" to make it clear you are referencing NYC and not NY state
  • I made it "NYC" to avoid repetition ("city", "Jungle City"). Three-letter abbreviations for cities appear to be acceptable (Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Abbreviations/Archive_2) isento (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Merge the two paras they are under four sentences each, plus it is fine to have a one paragraph starting section when the others are all more than one
  • Done. isento (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "Keys also wrote her memoir," → "Keys wrote her memoir" because the "also" part is made clear from the usage of "while" in this context
  • Done. isento (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "She says that" → "She said that" since this is an interview being quoted on a magazine's website
  • Done. isento (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Musical style

• "of Keys' previous album," → "of Keys' previous studio album"
  • Extraneous wording, no other type of album released before this one, so no distinction necessary isento (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• The comma still needs to be removed since this is not in the lead. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Target ballads to Sentimental ballad
• Target R&B to Contemporary R&B
• "The dynamics of the music throughout is largely downtempo and subtle," → "The music throughout has largely downtempo and subtle dynamics,"
• You can keep as "Keys describes" since the song says she has described it as that
• Target "Show Me Love" to Show Me Love (Alicia Keys and Miguel song)
• Wikilink funk
• Target "Time Machine" to Time Machine (Alicia Keys song)
• Target folk to Folk music
• Target soul to Soul music
• Target Caribbean music to List of Caribbean music genres, but [7] only mentions "island vibes"; how do you know that means Caribbean music?
  • "Island music" is an informal way of referring to that. isento (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oh right I never had awareness of that before, thanks for letting me know! --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Target "Underdog" to Underdog (Alicia Keys song)
• Shouldn't the second style listed for "Gramercy Park" be with the other while using "and" as a connective, since [3] is only used to back up the country genre and two refs next to each other isn't violating WP:REPCITE?
  • A different citation is used for the country reference, and if we merged them with "and", the reader may assume the country portion is also "folk-influenced". isento (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "of the album's middle tracks substitute piano" → "of Alicia's middle tracks substitute Key's signature piano" since that is worthy of a mention
  • I've mentioned it's distinctive at an earlier point in the section. isento (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Change to "Key's piano" then so we know it is the same type of piano being referenced. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Wikilink acoustic guitar
• "is described by" → "was described by"
  • This is commentary in the manner of WP:FICTENSE (as was discussed at our earlier GAN) isento (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• That guideline was valid for the other album because it is unreleased, but how does this release classify as fiction? --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• • • The quality of being unreleased was not relevant to the guideline. The music exists in the abstract, not as a real event that is being chronicled. So tense is generally irrelevant for commentary. isento (talk) 16:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Wikilink orchestral pop
• "says it is" → "said it is"
• "says the album" → "wrote that the former" to specify which album is being referred to
  • Changes for the rest. isento (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Lyrics and themes

• Target sociopolitical to Political sociology
• "between the narrator's view" → "between the singer's view"
• "Keys says the album" → "Keys said the album"
• "writing it encouraged greater introspection." → "creating it encouraged greater introspection:"
  • Since this is placed in the context of a section on lyrics, "writing" sounds more apt. isento (talk) 02:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "side", she explains." → "side", she explained."
• Where is it mentioned that she shares the reflected parts in her memoir?
  • "In her book, Keys describes herself as an artist whose determination to make her own way has meant overcoming her instinct to please others. 'I am strong and fierce and brave, no doubt,' she wrote. 'Yet I'm also someone who has found myself on the bathroom floor, boohooing and feeling vulnerable.' ... as she does in her book, she also grapples with other people's expectations ...", with musical examples interspersed throughout Pareles' article. isento (talk) 02:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Img looks good!
• "The album opens with" → "Alicia opens with"
• Remove "peace of mind" part since that is rewording the "free mind" bit that is already mentioned with "free thought" in the sentence
  • It's meant to rephrase the source's "solace". isento (talk) 02:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "to "young teachers," → "to "young teachers","
• Target essential work to Key worker
• "and the like working an" → "and other people simply trying to get through an"
• "Among the album's love songs," → "Among Alicia's love songs," especially since this is the start of a new para
• "feature a narrator trying" → "feature her trying"
  • Changes for the rest. isento (talk) 02:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Marketing and sales

• Wikilink lead single
• Remove target on "Show Me Love"
• "and its accompanying music video" → "and an accompanying music video" with the wikilink
• [15] offers no mention of her performing the song at the festival
• "Pedro Capo and Farruko" → "Pedro Capo, and Farruko"
• Add release year of "Calma"
• "On November 20," → "On November 20, 2019"
• "as the album's next single." → "as the second single." with the target
  • Adding ordinal-number descriptions to each single borders on treating the reader as if they can't figure themselves the order from the dates and order of appearance in the text. isento (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• That makes sense here, but mention the next single as being the third since it is in a different para. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Wikilink lead single on the img text
• "to her social media accounts." → "to her Instagram account." because the source only mentions that form of social media
• "as May 15." → "as May 15, 2020."
  • The last date to mention the year is from 2020, establishing that the following dates are in that year too. isento (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Yes but like I said before, that was mentioned multiple sentences ago and should have another mention at this point. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Remove target on "Underdog"
• "released as a single" → "released as the third single" but the release date is not sourced
• "also featured in a TV ad for Amazon Music" → "was also featured in a TV ad for Amazon Music,"
  • "feature" can work as a verb here, which avoids repeating "was" in this very sentence. isento (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Maybe change to "did feature" or something similar then? --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Wikilink BBC Radio 1 and Live Lounge separately, as they both have their own articles, plus don't italicise this part
• "released as a single" → "released as the fourth single" but the release date is not sourced
• You can keep the wording the same for the next single since it's straight after the above, but [17] should only be in the later position since there's no other refs invoked in-between the two now-separate usages... but the release date is not sourced here either
• "were performed on" → "were performed for" since you can't perform "on" the BRIT Awards, strictly speaking
• "Tiny Desk concerts, alongside" → "Tiny Desk Concerts, alongside performing"
• The release dates are not mentioned by [17] again, but this should be solely at the end of the sentence because it is the only ref there
• "made appearances on" → "made appearances at"
• Remove wikilink on iHeartRadio Music Festival
• "as well as headlined" → "as well as headlining"
• "release on September 18." → "release on September 18, 2020."
• "from September 21 to 24" → "from September 21 to 24,"
  • Commas only needed after a full date (with year). isento (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• It is needed here to properly separate the performances. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• "it became her eighth album to" → "the album became her eighth release to"
  • Makes it more ambiguous, as "release" can be an album, EP, or single. There's no ambiguity as to what "it" is. isento (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• The term "it" was used most recently, so change the first part at least but maybe edit the later to "the record" or something similar? --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• "the top 40," → "the top 40 of the UK Albums Chart," with the wikilink
  • It is clear that reference is to the country's albums chart. A full reference to the chart by name is not pertinent to an understanding of the key idea here. isento (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• You should mention the chart by name, as readers who don't look at the table further down might not know what it is called otherwise. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Remove the Billboard Hot 100 drop per WP:CHARTTRAJ
  • That guideline exempts cases where there is "sufficient reason" to mention a figure. I would argue that a 100+ position drop is significant and uncommon, particularly for a high-profile artist who debuts with this very album in the chart's top-five. isento (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Changes per the rest. isento (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Critical reception

• The aggregate website is not notable, as most already know what Metacritic is and you can guess easily anyway
• Review date should not be mentioned since not only is it only done for one review, but September 2020 was when the album experienced its release
• "had made the subject matter" → "made the subject matter"
• Remove wikilink on coping
  • Given the themes discussed in Keys' quotes and the theme commentary in general, I think this is a case of "particularly relevant to the context in the article" (MOS:OL) isento (talk) 03:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• "declared it" → "declared the album"
• "of her first album," → "of her debut album"
• "singing on the album." → "singing on Alicia." since that is the start of a new para and you mentioned another album most recently
• "singled out her performances" → "singled out Keys' performances"
  • Changes to the rest. isento (talk) 03:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Track listing

• Wikilink Alicia Keys
  • Done. isento (talk) 03:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Personnel and credits

• Replace sub-sections with sub-headings
  • Aren't these already sub-headings in the manner recommended at WP:PERSONNEL? ({{{1}}} isento (talk) 03:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• The examples listed there under, "To create these sub-headings, use the equal sign (=) followed by the text for different types of performers or technical personnel." show sub-headings created by using the bold format, so I'm not sure; not three equals signs are mentioned either. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• I think the examples are rendered in bold format there to avoid creating subheadings in the table of contents for the advice page as a whole. I think given the numerous credits in this article, a subheading makes a visually bolder distinction, at least in desktop view. isento (talk) 17:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Target Nashville to Nashville, Tennessee
• Target North Hollywood to North Hollywood, Los Angeles
• Shouldn't the technical personnel be in order, as it is ordered poorly currently?
  • Only Sean C, a stage name, appeared out of order. Alicia Keys is ordered first in the booklet ([1]). And Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Personnel says "It's generally preferable to list the album's personnel in the same order that they are listed on the album packaging". isento (talk) 03:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Changes per the rest. isento (talk) 03:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Charts

• Good

Release history

• Format → Format(s)
• The third, fourth and fifth releases are not backed up as being various; there is only one Apple Music retailer cited for them
  • I've made various to worldwide. I assume online retailers offer digital downloads irrespective of country. isento (talk) 03:48, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• No that should not be done because we cannot imply the album was released in every single country worldwide, plus your second comment is incorrect; sometimes releases will be on retailers in certain countries but not others, so add more citations to the refs here. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

References

• Copyvio score looks really good at 21.3; ignore the URL flagged at over 90% since that is not cited anywhere in this article!
• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
  • I don't see this as essential -- even if a link were to rot at some point, WP:GA? notes that "Dead links are considered verifiable only if the link is not a bare url." And although I would like to add archive.today snapshots for all my GA's at some point, I really don't have the wherewithal right now :/ isento (talk) 04:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• It is considered common policy to do this on Wiki and helps make things properly accessible, but isn't 100% required. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• 1035 The BEAT → 1035 The Beat on ref 4, citing as publisher instead
  • Websites that publish original content in the manner of a periodical, i.e. at regular intervals, are italicized. Also, I discovered a guideline recently that would support a stop to misusing the publisher parameter in that manner: "Do not abuse incorrect template parameters (e.g. by putting the work title in |publisher= or |via=) in an attempt to avoid italicizing digital sources." (Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#cite_note-2) isento (talk) 04:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Fix the unnecessary capitalization since the website is not stylized like that on its own Wiki even. --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Cite ABC News Radio as publisher instead for refs 5 and 31
  • Same deal, website's title. isento (talk) 04:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 9, 11, 12, 33, 37, 50, 51, 52, 78 and 79
• WP:OVERLINK of Rap-Up on ref 13
• Target Essence to Essence (magazine) on ref 14
• Give refs 15, 25 and 32 proper titles, plus change www.iheart.com to iHeartRadio and cite as publisher instead while only wikilinking for the first
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 16
• Add Rolling Stone as the website for ref 17
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 20
• Wikilink News Break on ref 23 per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Give ref 24 a proper titles, plus change www.bbc.com to BBC and cite as publisher instead
• Cite CNN as publisher instead for ref 26 with the wikilink
• BET.com → BET on ref 27, citing as publisher instead with the wikilink
• NPR.org → NPR on ref 28, citing as publisher instead with the wikilink
• Cite CBS Boston as the publisher for ref 30 and target to WBZ-TV
• CBS.com → CBS on ref 34, citing as publisher instead with the wikilink
• Cite AP NEWS as publisher instead for ref 35 and target to Associated Press
• Cite Entertainment.ie as publisher instead for ref 36
• WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on ref 38
• Cite FYIMusicNews as publisher instead for ref 40 and remove the author
• WP:OVERLINK of Rolling Stone on ref 47
• Wikilink Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique on ref 60
• Ref 74 is a duplicate of ref 38
• WP:OVERLINK of Apple Music on ref 76 and fix MOS:CAPS issues
  • Changes per the rest. isento (talk) 04:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until everything is fixed, but you definitely have made good usage of your writing skills here! --K. Peake 12:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I appreciate it. isento (talk) 06:38, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Isento Thank you for responding the day after the review and I have gone over everything by now after starting with the infobox and lead! --K. Peake 06:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Changes per the rest. isento (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Isento This looks a lot better, but I still have my doubts about calling the first release worldwide since only one source says that and it isn't sourced for all the release formats, plus do you really think the album could have been released in every single country? --K. Peake 19:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Well "worldwide" means throughout the world, not necessarily every single country. But I've removed the region row, to avoid this complication. isento (talk) 19:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Isento It would have been preferable with the column, but this is not a requirement and the article is broad enough without it. ✓ Pass! --K. Peake 20:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)