Talk:Alistair Overeem

Place of birth

Why has this been suddenly changed to LIVERPOOL ? If you listen to Overeem on the Rutten and Ranallo podcast (https://soundcloud.com/mauroranallo/28-alistair-overeem at 1h 01min and 29 seconds, Alistair corrects Mauro Ranallo for saying he was born in Liverpool, by saying that he was born in HOUNSLOW. I will change Liverpool back to Hounslow. If anyone has any more definitive information on where Overeem was born, that tops Overeem himself (you don't, because it is BS) then feel free to present your evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malau (talk • contribs) 10:58, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

nick names

Very popular nicknames for the Reem are "The Reem" "ubereem" and "supereem". If you want sources ask brew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ubereem (talk • contribs) 13:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Paralympiakos and other "mods" who think they know so much, stop deleting official nicknames of Overeem: The Dutch Cyclone which he obviously doesn't endorse: http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac15/tsiirtola/aovereem.jpg. Ubereem is fan made eh? Well guess what, all good names start as fan-made and commentators even use it for Overeem fights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0X9BJDRjOg&feature=fvst go to 3:17 to hear commentator referring to Overeem as Ubereem. Stop the reverts from now with these two names. --67.204.17.179 (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Alisteroid Overoid being the funniest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.95.19 (talk) 15:52, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Steroid Speculation

I see a comment about his suspicious super-bulking has been added. While I do agree that fan suspicion has grown so fevered that it probably should be mentioned somewhere, I don't think in the headline paragraph is the best place for it. I vote for a short section of a sentence or two, near/at the bottom.

I'll wait a week or so to see if there's any discussion before attempting any changes. Senor Vergara (talk) 02:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that speculation regarding the use of banned performance enhancers -- coupled with his failure to do the drugs-testing necessary to defend the Strikeforce title in the U.S. -- merits mention in this article. MisterJayEm (talk) 17:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Mere speculation has no place in a Wikipedia article. Until Overeem fails a drug test he should be presumed innocent until proven guilty of using performance enhancing drugs. The last time he fought in the USA at Heavyweight he passed the test and while he's gotten alot bigger since then that is not evidence that he is doping. He has never refused to defend his Strikeforce Heavyweight title and there have been understandable circumstances such as injuries and participation in the K-1 World GP that have kept him from defending his title. AncientObserver (talk) 06:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

A picture is worth a thousand words... GregorB (talk) 17:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Yet the picture proves nothing. Therefore, nothing should be mentioned about doping until he's been tested positive of anything. And besides, believe it or not, it is possible to gain 50lbs of muscle mass in 5 years' time. That's approximately 1 pound/month, and that picture just proves that he's been in a muscle-building regimen, regardless of uninformed speculation. Insert IP here o4:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.167.40 (talk)

Check his anabolic pimples in his K1 time...If you know guys who take steroids,you know this pimples.You´ll see how young he will die and then you will have your provements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.34.252.21 (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, actually Alistair didnt gain 50 lbs in 5 years, like the person above mentioned. If you study his fights, the last time he fought Shogun Rua, he was fighting in the 205 lbs class in early 2007. And then just 9 or 10 months later he was fighting people like Kharitinov at 250 lbs. So the dude has to be juicing. I can understand building muscles over the long term, but jumping up over 50 lbs in less than a year......come on people, put 2 and 2 together!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.255.87.96 (talk) 13:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Original research has no place in a biographical article (WP:BLP.) Jfgslo (talk) 13:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

That just means he was cutting to 205, hence why he was fighting dehydrated, hungry and exhausted. In the Shogun fight, he doesn't look like a LHW, he dwarfs Shogun, who's a pretty big 205er. Hell, George st Pierre walks around at 195, then cuts to 170 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.92.177.17 (talk) 23:03, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Theres plenty of news on google about Overeem and steroids. Ive added the information. Portillo (talk) 10:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

No, there are plenty of opinion articles, not news. And none of them point to facts, only to speculation. Also, even if published by reliable sources, Wikipedia is not the place for gossips. Jfgslo (talk) 15:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

On Wikipedia its normal to add reliable sources. Just because he hasnt tested positive for steroids does not mean it isnt newsworthy. Portillo (talk) 00:38, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

On the contrary, since it is speculation, it doesn't matter if they are reliable sources, because Wikipedia is not an opinion piece, a scandal monger or journalism. Even more, this article is the biography of a living person, so I point you to WP:BLP where it says: "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives, and the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment. This policy applies to BLPs, including any living person mentioned in a BLP even if not the subject of the article, and to material about living persons on other pages." If it were a fact, like Josh Barnett testing positive, then it would be okay. But all this is purely gossip at best (and fan-originated at that), so it is not needed in an article about a living person.Jfgslo (talk) 01:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

So seeing how the media is made up of maybe 95% bullshit. There wouldnt be much to add to Wikipedia would there. Portillo (talk) 06:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

What we have here are two very vocal sides of an argument that goes on (atleast all day long on Sherdog) all the time. I'll refrain from posting any personal comments about the actual issue of him roiding or not, but in regards to wether this should be put in this article, I'd say what's right is right. And although it's been said that there are many fighters who've never tested positive for Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) even though they are using, we never discuss wether or not that topic should be included in their articles. But because someone posts a picture of Alistair over the course of 5+ years, all of a sudden we need to discuss putting it in his? I'm of the mindset that we don't need to add "steroid" or "PED" portions to any MMA fighter's article that hasn't tested positive atleast once in their fighting career. And for as long as I've been watching MMA, he hasn't. Wether you believe he did or did not, doesn't warrant us putting it into the article until he actually does. Just my .02. Dachknanddarice (T‖C) 03:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Champion

The claim that he is no longer Strikeforce HW champ was unsourced and is contradicted by numerous recent web articles and the Strikeforce website. I removed it. Senor Vergara (talk) 02:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

you guys are pretty much all clueless. they all do steroids or hgh in all pro sports. most are good at hiding it. urine testing is not a very accurate way of testing. reverse cathoders with clean urine are just one common way. who really wants to watch average joes fight? interesting to see what happens when the nfl actually starts hgh testing. politicians and people are so clueless what goes on in the real world. they're all stuck in an illusionary fantasy world. 68.188.200.62 (talk) 06:59, 3 February 2013 (UTC)sk!

UFC link

I removed the link to the UFC in the see also section, because Overeem has never actually fought in the UFC. Revert if you disagree with me.Alex Klotz 22:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Americana NOt armbar!

Why is it edited back to an armbar win over Mark Hunt. It was not an armbar! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.186.65.47 (talk) 16:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I edited his win over Mark Hunt -it was a rather unconvential americana, not an armbar! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.1.96.133 (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Picture

Any chance we can get a picture of Overeem? Portillo (talk) 07:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

change demolition man to the reem

where it says in the article "The majority of Alistair Overeem's pre-fight training camp took place at the newly opened Golden Glory Gym in Pattaya, Thailand, where "The Demolition Man" concentrated on the further improvement of his Muay Thai skills.[10]" i think we should change The Demolition Man to The Reem. http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Overeem-Explains-Why-Hes-the-Man-to-Beat-Fedor-2438 overeem states that he doesnt like his nick name demolition man but prefers the reem or ubereem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.203.217 (talk) 20:43, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Notable Wins

Not to nitpick here but is Brett Rogers worthy of inclusion in the list of notable opponents Overeem has defeated? If you ask me, I think Rogers is severely overrated. The guy holds only one notable victory himself, and that's over Andrei Arlovski.
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—Preceding undated comment added 01:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC).

Almost a year old, but Brett Rogers should absolutely be on a list of notable wins for Alistair. Brett Rogers (even after being beaten by Fedor earlier) was STILL a top 10 HW fighter (as listed by Sherdog) when they fought each other. I believe Rogers was either 9 or 8th ranked in Sherdog's top 10 HW list when they fought. Also, Andrei Arlovski was a top 10 ranked HW when Brett beat him, which is how Brett got into the top 10 list himself. And when Alistair demolished Rogers faster than Fedor could, it solidified Alistair's place among the top 10 HWs (at 8, I believe). I realize some people just hate Alistair fans though, and will stop at nothing to discredit any and all of the fighters he faces just to try and piss off his fans. Not that I am saying you are one of these people but the arguments you present regarding something like "a notable win" list, which seems a little "nitpicky" to me, are the exact same arguments that "Overeem haters" tend to use.

If you don't agree that beating a top 10 HW fighter is enough to put you on a list of notable wins, then maybe we should also speak about Brett's name recognition within Strikeforce itself. The very fact that Rogers was tapped to be included into their HW GP should be proof alone that he's marketable enough for Strikeforce to put him as one of the original seeded participants. I realize this GP comes way after your original question about Rogers, but for anyone in the future who wonders the same thing, I hope this insight should be sufficient to keep Brett on Alistair's list of notable wins. Dachknanddarice (T‖C) 19:24, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the problem is that there is no consensus regarding notable wins in MMA biographical articles. You will note that there is no recommendation regarding that in the current guidelines. If I recall correctly, the problem is that the notability of a victory is subjective and therefore should not be included. I believe that this is also somehow related to rankings, since there isn't a consensus regarding them. I know this because in some articles that I've edited other editors removed notable victories when I included them, and in others articles in which I didn't include them, other editors added them. If indeed, there is a consensus regarding notable victories, any win over fighters from the top ten should be included, but I think that should be discussed at WP:MMA. I agree that the victory over Rogers should be included if notable victories are accepted in MMA biographical articles. Jfgslo (talk) 05:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I think this is pretty much the same thing that was just discussed in WT:MMA about notable fighters per weight class. Any list of notable fighters is going to subjective and bordering original research like it was agreed on the strawweight discussion. So in my opinion we shouldn't have notable victories listed because it's subjective. Unless we base them of some sort of rankings. Rankings are subjective too, but at least those can be sourced. --Tuoppi gm (talk) 17:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Duly noted. At the time I wrote the original response, I hadn't looked to see if there was an actual list of notable wins on this article. Per the reasons Jfgslo and Tuoppi have stated, I have no intention of including one. I was simply stating a case for why Brett Rogers's notability is worth the mention should there be one. Regardless, the fact is, there isn't a list of notable wins for fighters and so, let's consider this discussion resolved/closed. Dachknanddarice (T‖C) 00:18, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Weigh-in Results?

Are the weigh-in results of every fight really necessary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevanchez (talk • contribs) 09:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

He has a DAUGHTER not a SON

To the moronic idiot who keeps listing that Alistair has a son, HE HAS A DAUGHTER, not a son you moron, the interview you have cited as a reference has been incorrectly translated, you are commenting on Alistair yet you can't even read Dutch?

Go to http://www.thereem.com/, look at episode 5 the video, and see he has a daughter.

No wonder wikipedia has such an awful reputation, with morons like this being allowed to freely edit articles and their word being accepted as truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.7.233 (talk) 13:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Then add the proper reference and quote where that is stated and modify the text. Don't erase it just like that. That's vandalism. Refrain from calling names to editors. Nonconstructive people are not welcome. Jfgslo (talk) 13:36, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

His official website should qualify as a credible reference. I've added the reference directing it to the video in question. Mentuhotep23 (talk) 00:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

King William III claim

I doubt that this claim is relevant enough to be mentioned in a Wikipedia article, unless it either received much media coverage (whether true or not) or there is a written source or any sort of proof available. [1] [2] --Kuteni (talk) 16:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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Height

Can someone explain to me how he's 6'5" here with 6'1"ish-6'2"ish Mirko Filipovic?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielherbertson/2928400923/

Even accounting for the angle, He's really not over an inch taller. He's obviously a big guy, but 6'5" seems to be pushing it unless Mirko is significantly taller than listed. --Criticalthinker (talk) 00:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Lol, well Cro-cop is really 6'1" so Overeem is not 6'5" - it's stupid that wikipedia uses billed heights and weights when they are known to be unreliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.29.226 (talk) 09:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Title Eliminator.

Can someone please add in the notes section that this was a title elimination match for the next championship title fight? I cannot figure out how to do it myself and do not see the "notes" section when I try to edit the page. Also, please do it on the Brock Lesnar page as well and add that Lesnar retired after the UFC 141 fight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.87.142.131 (talk) 05:32, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 April 2012

Please change MMA Record from 16 wins by knockout to 15 wins. Overeem has won 15 fights via knockout not 16. It's showing that Overeem has won 37 fights when he's actually won 36 79.69.234.171 (talk) 11:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Fixed--Phospheros (talk) 16:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

PED

Not sure if its a drug but testosterone use should be included Ruffruder0 (talk) 09:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Information needs to be updated in the Legal issues. He was recently denied a license to fight in the state of Nevada due to having a high T:E ratio of 14:1 (Source link http://www.mmafighting.com/ufc/2012/4/24/2972471/alistair-overeem-license-request-denied-can-re-apply-in-december) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.251.232 (talk) 05:03, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Information regarding his license denial has been added in the UFC section (third paragraph). Udar55 (talk) 17:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

K1 in MMA record grid?

There's only one K1 fight there at the moment. I'd think it should be all or nothing, right? "alyosha" (talk) 22:23, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Birthplace

Is Nuneaton really Overeem's birthplace? Alistair Overeem is usually credited as being "Originally from Hounslow". 61.197.222.158 (talk) 04:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC) AMS

Guinness Record?

I noticed there's a claim that he's in the Guinness Book of Records (presumably 2012) for holding three titles. Google only turns up forums and blogs recycling the Cagepotato story, and searching Guinness' website turns up jack shit. I think this needs better sourcing, and have removed it for now. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure now it's a figure of speech. Consider it. The day after a fight, Guinness calls an MMA blogger to make this announcement, and doesn't even make sure the name of their book is correctly spelled ("records", not "record", and no "book"), or give an issue date? Same as how people say "He's secured a place in the history books" or "When you look up ______ in the dictionary, you see his picture". Prove me wrong, though, if you'd like. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:54, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Here's the original source, by the way. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

ko not tka against bigfoot

ufc ruled it a tko but it was actually a KO 68.188.200.62 (talk) 06:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)sk!

The Mixed martial arts record is wrong

Get some clue from UFC webpage: http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Alistair-Overeem?id=

The fight with Ben Rothwell on Sep 5, 2014, with Frank Mir on Feb 1, 2014, with Travis Browne on Aug 17, 2013, with Antonio Silva on Feb 2, 2013 are missing, and mixed with the records of other fighters.

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False weight claim

That claim Overeem's weight being only 234 pounds is just not true. Sherdog says so and same false claim is then added in many other websites. Anyways it has nothing to do with reality and never in any events Weigh-ins Overeem has been 234 pounds. In his latest Weigh-ins for UFC Fight Night: Overeem vs. Sakai he was 252.5 pounds. From this link you can see even a video of the Weigh-ins: https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/9/4/21420324/live-ufc-vegas-9-alistair-overeem-vs-augusto-sakai-weigh-in-results-and-video-apex-mma-news I don't see any point in using false information as weight just because source like Sherdog says so. Zulrah (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:44, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Diet

Per various videos on YouTube, Alistair's physique has been attributed to his eating copious amounts of Horse Meat. 71.66.250.1 (talk) 05:15, 3 November 2022 (UTC)