Talk:All-Star Final Vote

Experience

All charts count seasons (including the current one) in which the player has appeared in a major league game. Other definitions of experience would entail original research. Official years of major league service and determining rookie year would require original research. Both would entail research beyond simply going to www.baseball-reference.com and counting years, which by some definitions might even be considered original research. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "original research." Major League Baseball has a strict definition of what constitutes a "rookie year." There are minimum plate appearances and/or innings pitched to qualify as a full season both for MLBPA purposes and "rookie" purposes. For example, Jonathan Papelbon pitched for the Red Sox in 2005, but did not pitch enough innings to qualify as having a full year's service. Ergo, 2006 is considered is rookie season. Furthermore, if we're talking about Japanese exports, their previous experience in other leagues have no bearing on MLB in terms of being a rookie or accruing MLBPA benefits. gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 22:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

As a Red Sox fan, I'm a little shocked that there currently no pictures of Red Sox players in the whole article. Three of the sixth winners of the AL final vote were Red Sox at the time. You have a picture of Damon, but he's wearing a Yankees uniform, a little odd considering he was elected in 2002 but didn't suit up for the yankees until 2005.

Also not sure if you mentioned that the final vote is now for the 32nd spot. Thanks, Pats Sox Princess 16:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Totally didn't see the pictures of Varitek or Okajima. But I still think Damon should be in a Sox uniform. And Nomar should be wearing a Dodgers uniform, not a Red Sox one (he was a member of the Dodgers when he was voted in). Pats Sox Princess 16:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

formatting (return to side-by-side)

Year	Player	Team	Position	Prior Experience (All Star/Seasons)
	American League
2002	Johnny Damon	Boston Red Sox	Center fielder	(0/8)
2003	Jason Varitek	Boston Red Sox	Catcher	(0/7)
2004	Hideki Matsui	New York Yankees	Left fielder	(1/2)
2005	Scott Podsednik	Chicago White Sox	Outfielder	(0/5)
2006	A. J. Pierzynski	Chicago White Sox	Catcher	(1/9)
2007	Hideki Okajima	Boston Red Sox	Relief pitcher	(0/1)
	National League
2002	Andruw Jones	Atlanta Braves	Center fielder	(1/7)
2003	Geoff Jenkins	Milwaukee Brewers	Left fielder	(0/6)
2004	Bobby Abreu	Philadelphia Phillies	Right fielder	(0/9)
2005	Roy Oswalt	Houston Astros	Starting pitcher	(0/5)
2006	Nomar Garciaparra	Los Angeles Dodgers	First baseman	(5/11)
2007	Chris Young	San Diego Padres	Starting pitcher	(0/4)

Year	Player	Team	Position	Prior Experience (All Star/Seasons)	Player	Team	Position	Prior Experience (All Star/Seasons)
	American League				National League
2002	Johnny Damon	Boston Red Sox	Center fielder	(0/8)	Andruw Jones	Atlanta Braves	Center fielder	(1/7)
2003	Jason Varitek	Boston Red Sox	Catcher	(0/7)	Geoff Jenkins	Milwaukee Brewers	Left fielder	(0/6)
2004	Hideki Matsui	New York Yankees	Left fielder	(1/2)	Bobby Abreu	Philadelphia Phillies	Right fielder	(0/9)
2005	Scott Podsednik	Chicago White Sox	Outfielder	(0/5)	Roy Oswalt	Houston Astros	Starting pitcher	(0/5)
2006	A. J. Pierzynski	Chicago White Sox	Catcher	(1/9)	Nomar Garciaparra	Los Angeles Dodgers	First baseman	(5/11)
2007	Hideki Okajima	Boston Red Sox	Relief pitcher	(0/1)	Chris Young	San Diego Padres	Starting pitcher	(0/4)

Year	Player	Team	Pos.	Experience (All Star/ Seasons)	Player	Team	Pos.	Experience (All Star/ Seasons)
	American League				National League
2002	Johnny Damon	BOS	CF	(0/8)	Andruw Jones	ATL	CF	(1/7)
2003	Jason Varitek	BOS	C	(0/7)	Geoff Jenkins	MIL	LF	(0/6)
2004	Hideki Matsui	NYY	LF	(1/2)	Bobby Abreu	PHI	RF	(0/9)
2005	Scott Podsednik	CHW	OF	(0/5)	Roy Oswalt	HOU	SP	(0/5)
2006	A. J. Pierzynski	CHW	C	(1/9)	Nomar Garciaparra	LAD	1B	(5/11)
2007	Hideki Okajima	BOS	RP	(0/1)	Chris Young	SD	SP	(0/4)

In the case of this table, I have to agree that a side-by-side format feels slightly more appropriate. The abbreviated one seems the most appropriate, since the fullone is completely overbearing. Maybe with centering the "experience" columns? Circeus 19:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The Template:cleanup-colours on top of the page.

I have decided to remove the template after reading through the guideline about the text colors to convey information. I then gave it a test at http://colorfilter.wickline.org/?j=1;t=q in which this paged passed all tests there. So therefore I am removing the template as its not an issue at all. I am assuming the problem may be with the highlighted names, but they were clear in all tests. Usually if a name needs highlight it's generally accepted to flag the name with a symbol and place a footnote right below the chart, This is only a note for improvement as clearly this is a guideline and the paged passed the test of Colorblindness Filters. Sawblade05 ^{(talk to me | my wiki life)} 08:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• The lone asterisk after Chicago Cubs in the "History" section is not explained. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Removed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
• "The fans have elected the starting lineup of one player for each baseball position (except the pitcher) for both the National League and American League teams since 1970." You just said that starting lineup selection was turned over to players, coaches and managers a sentence earlier. When did fan's get this responsibility back?
  • Is it clearer now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• "eight pitchers for each all-star team" Should "all-star" be capitalized? Dabomb87 (talk) 16:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  • done.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

"Featured"

This is a featured list, but clearly doesn't meet the criteria any longer. I almost listed this for removal right now, but maybe we can improve it to keep it featured? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:41, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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