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Reception
editCan you add reception? It was a good show besides Mones match where a lot ot fans went to bathroom or bar, I went to the show 2A00:23EE:1098:3F10:4C4B:375:E73F:5AD2 (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
attendence
editis this a real one or a kayfabe one?Muur (talk) 19:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Real; I don't believe AEW announced an exact number of their own. — Czello (music) 07:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've just been alerted to this, which means there's (like last year) a difference between tickets distributed (53k) and actual attendance (46k). Looks like it's already been corrected on the article, though. — Czello (music) 17:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- yeah so it was kayfabe attendance again basically.Muur (talk) 20:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not at all tickets sold is usually the only stat you get and the attendance itself. The only reason you get ‘turnstile’ is because brent council gives the number. Desigamer1 (talk) 00:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Turnstile count still does not account for total attendance, as many in attendance will not have entered the stadium through turnstile means. Turnstile numbers should only be taken as a "low end count" and not as the wikipedia "official" numbers. The wiki should honestly be read as "between 46,000 and 55,000" 2.30.29.6 (talk) 13:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a good point being made here which might also apply to the 2023 All In, but we need to avoid WP:OR or WP:SYNTH in our conclusions. I'm hoping other users can chime in to give their thoughts; @Mann Mann @HHH Pedrigree @JDC808 @McPhail @StrangerMan123 — Czello (music) 09:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd just state the figures as presented without commentary on which is the "real" number, e.g. "AEW announced an attendance of X. Wembley announced a turnstile count of Y." We could add this as a footnote to the figures in the infobox. McPhail (talk) 11:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- For the body that's fine, but I think we're all talking about the infobox here. Consensus is to de-prioritise the marketed number when there's contradicting evidence. — Czello (music) 12:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- AEW is a private company, so its claims need to be verified by independent sources. Because they could be exaggerated numbers, marketing strategy, or just all sold tickets. If infobox parameter is limited to only one number, then it should be from a non-AEW source. We can mention the other reported numbers in the body of article. Alternative solution: Add minimum and maximum reported numbers to infobox + AEW claim (it should be clarified). Some WP infoboxes use this method. --Mann Mann (talk) 14:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, but AEW have actually (as far as I'm aware) made no claim about attendance numbers (other than a vague "over 50,000"). Both turnstile attendance and tickets sold come from independent sources - that's the issue. — Czello (music) 14:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then why not adding both (or all of them)? Unless one source is more reliable than the other ones per WP:WEIGHT. I think this discussion needs a general consensus. Better be taken to WT:PW and then the consensus should be added to WP:PW/MOS. I barely edit articles of PPVs and PW shows, so my points could not be very helpful for this specific topic. --Mann Mann (talk) 15:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed we could add both as the IP suggested (that would also affect last year's All In for the same reason), as the turnstile count represents the lower end and the tickets sold represents the upper end. Ultimately they're two different metrics, hence the disparity. — Czello (music) 15:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then why not adding both (or all of them)? Unless one source is more reliable than the other ones per WP:WEIGHT. I think this discussion needs a general consensus. Better be taken to WT:PW and then the consensus should be added to WP:PW/MOS. I barely edit articles of PPVs and PW shows, so my points could not be very helpful for this specific topic. --Mann Mann (talk) 15:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, but AEW have actually (as far as I'm aware) made no claim about attendance numbers (other than a vague "over 50,000"). Both turnstile attendance and tickets sold come from independent sources - that's the issue. — Czello (music) 14:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd just state the figures as presented without commentary on which is the "real" number, e.g. "AEW announced an attendance of X. Wembley announced a turnstile count of Y." We could add this as a footnote to the figures in the infobox. McPhail (talk) 11:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a good point being made here which might also apply to the 2023 All In, but we need to avoid WP:OR or WP:SYNTH in our conclusions. I'm hoping other users can chime in to give their thoughts; @Mann Mann @HHH Pedrigree @JDC808 @McPhail @StrangerMan123 — Czello (music) 09:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Turnstile count still does not account for total attendance, as many in attendance will not have entered the stadium through turnstile means. Turnstile numbers should only be taken as a "low end count" and not as the wikipedia "official" numbers. The wiki should honestly be read as "between 46,000 and 55,000" 2.30.29.6 (talk) 13:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not at all tickets sold is usually the only stat you get and the attendance itself. The only reason you get ‘turnstile’ is because brent council gives the number. Desigamer1 (talk) 00:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- yeah so it was kayfabe attendance again basically.Muur (talk) 20:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've just been alerted to this, which means there's (like last year) a difference between tickets distributed (53k) and actual attendance (46k). Looks like it's already been corrected on the article, though. — Czello (music) 17:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)