Talk:All Things Bright and Beautiful

Text Based On

Why is 1 Chronicles cites as a source for the text. The cited section of chronicles is a genealogy, and has no comparison to the text that I can see. The closest source seems to be The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, which perhaps should be cited as the source.

I also see no comparison to 'The apostles creed' except the first two verses that attribute all creation to God. If that is the potential inspiration claimed, then probably we should specifically note those verses/that text.

Anyway, thought I'd put some text here and see if anyone had anything to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.7.118 (talk) 18:30, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Trivia Removed

Linking to a Monty Python parody of this hymn adds nothing of relevance to the article, nor does it improve the article. While many people have mocked Christianity and Christian hymns, this doesn't mean Wikipedia needs to point this out in an article about a famous hymn.

To be professional and encyclopedic, any trivia section should be related to the hymn itself. EthanL (talk) 09:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I would include a brief mention of this parody, as well as The Police's reference to a verse in their song, "Oh My God". This is out of a desire to be encyclopedic, not out of a desire to mock the hymn- which is why I put the emphasis on "brief". Orville Eastland 03:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm disappointed in you, Wikipedia. I came onto this page specifically to find that parody. 91.105.24.52 (talk) 20:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

It's perfectly acceptable to include cultural references, even if they are unflattering, as they help to establish the hymn's notability. It's true that the list of cultural references was poor - its main problems were that it was totally unsourced and violated WP:TRIVIA. However, it's quite acceptable to mention culturally significant derivations - James Herriot and Python are undoubtedly notable and there is no harm in including them, if properly referenced.Cnbrb (talk) 13:15, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

This hymn does not support the class system. There should be a comma after "He made them" and "estate" means status/value not property. Mrs Alexander is insisting, during the Irish potato famine" that the poor at the gate are equally valuable to God and therefore to us. Graham Hellier 80.189.17.175 (talk) 19:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Whether the hymn does or does not support the class system is a matter of commentary - Wikipedia only reports what others think. Dearmer certainly thought it did. I have added references to both points of view, although you may wish to contribute additional sources to support the other view.12:32, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Seems a bit WP:OFFTOPIC for here. This article is about the hymn. If there was an article about the parody, then mentioning what it was based on and wikilink would be OK. But when talking about the hymn, mention of parody not-the-hymn seems a distraction. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 12:41, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

The article is about the hymn, and that legitimately includes derived works. Just because they are unflattering does not mean they should be excluded. Cnbrb (talk) 13:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Melodies to this hymn

I note Para 2 talks of the variety of melodies. Just thought to use this talk page to link to the youtube version of each in case ppl want to know which is which. Feel free to add to other melodies if you find them. I am only familiar with the 3.

• Unsure which version this is but it is the tune I first learned/heard this hymn sung. Hymn sung, Organ music only
• Royal Oak: Organ music, Choir
• John Rutter: Choir , Choir w Haylen Westenra

Linnah (talk) 17:49, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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References added

This article has been flagged for lacking references for 8 years, so I have added several citations to bring the article up to a more encyclopaedic standard. It is still lacking a citation for Sir John Heygate's account of Benevenagh as the "purple-headed mountain". This was added in October 2020 by @81.133.116.239:. Perhaps whoever added that could add a source that would be great, thanks.Cnbrb (talk) 12:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Third verse

The link for the Alexander verses is a bust for me - neither the 1875 or 1866 hymnal seems to contain this composition. Please put me right if I've gone wrong. The verses are available in Hymns for Little Children, the 1908 edition of which contains the offending material, which suggests they are incorrectly quoted in this article: https://archive.org/details/hymnsforlittlech00alexuoft/page/n22/mode/1up?q=beautiful

The rich man in his castle,

The poor man at his gate,

God made them, high or lowly,

And ordered their estate.

As I understand it, Alexander had approved the inclusion of same for a previous edition of 1877. Odd that I had to root around for this information, rather than have it presented to me. Shtove (talk) 13:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Verse restored

Under the heading "Words" the verses were listed excluding the third verse, despite the fact that this is discussed in the article. The section starts "Alexander's text reads:…". Alexander's text included the controversial third verse. I am not sure why it has been censored in this article (the text is only to be found in this talk page, thanks to Shtove, although it is available in many other sources, and it was certainly included in the versions that I sang at school as a child). It may have been deleted from many modern hymnals; but surely Wikipedia's role is not to censor concepts that are no longer concordant with modern views, but to tell the truth!

I have corrected this by adding the verse back to the main page.

--peter_english (talk) 12:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)