Talk:Allen Paul (writer)

Discussion about the sources for this article

On my talk page. PDCook (talk) 00:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

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I created the article for Allen Paul with the primary intention of providing an impression of how he came to be involved in the Katyn Massacre issue since his book is listed in the references for that article. I've had some professional contact with him before, so I just asked him for a quick bio as it related to the book and his career as an author. What I received now resides in the newly created article. I clipped out any blatant bias as long as it didn't injure the meaning of his writing and took out a lot of his discussion about his family. I'm now trying to collect references from him for any quotes or opinions. For everything else I gathered that if it is from him and about him (without bias) the information does not need to be sourced. Am I on the right track? It seems like there is something missing. EclipseJRB (talk) 22:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Any personal communications you have had with the subject cannot be used as source material because it is not verifiable. This is considered original research and borders on conflict of interest and autobiography. Thus, all content in the article must be sourced from independent reliable sources. Since the time I tagged the article for independent sources, it looks like you have added several appropriate sources like Boston Globe, NY Times, etc. It would be helpful if you could find archives of those newspaper articles online and add them to the references, but this is not required. I can look too sometime. Let me just reiterate: all material in the article must be sourced from those sources you added and not from personal communications. Please note that all of the bluelinks I wrote above point to the relevant Wikipedia policies, which I recommend reading. If you have any additional questions, please ask. I sincerely thank you for asking! PDCook (talk) 22:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I should mention that the subject's website is an acceptable source for biographical information, since his notability seems to have been established through being cited in major newspapers. Regards, PDCook (talk) 23:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I changed a few things in the article. The first line was a little non-neutral and I reworded it. Also, the article made predictions about Paul's upcoming book. Unless you can cite a very reliable source for this, such claims are not allowed per the policy Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Otherwise, I haven't really given the rest of the article a good read-through, since I imagine you will have to reword some of it in light of not being able to use personal communications as a source. Regards, PDCook (talk) 23:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

A question about whether or not this would be good form. If I can get him to put the biography info he originally provided on his website (which it probably should be anyway) and write a shorter summary of it (or perhaps just copy it?) with a reference to that author page in the Wikipedia article, then the claims about where he worked, went to school, etc. would be considered verifiable? So I guess it would be akin to asking someone to publish information just because I wanted a way to officially cite it.

EclipseJRB (talk) 00:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I think it raises conflict of interest issues if you have the type of relationship with Mr. Paul in which you can suggest to him he put this information on his website. Aside from the COI issue, I suppose what you are suggesting doesn't really break the letter of any Wikipedia policies (except for COI), but I think it goes against the spirit of many of them. If you do proceed with having him publish that information on his website, I would highly recommend disclosing this on the article's talk page. My personal advice would be to use the available reliable sources (including his current website) to rewrite the article. Regards, PDCook (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Fixed

I rewrote and sourced much of the article, removing unsourced and possibly original research material. PDCook (talk) 14:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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