Talk:Allied health professions/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merge to Health profession

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no consensus --Chupper 16:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

This page should remain Allied Health - as this is typically an entire "college" at many Universities.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by BloodGuru (talk • contribs) 15:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

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What constitute as AHP

By the definition given on the article, "Allied Health professionals are involved with the delivery of health or related services pertaining to the identification, evaluation and prevention of diseases and disorders; dietary and nutrition services; rehabilitation and health systems management, among others".

I failed to see how a) a secretary b) medical biller and c) Medical coders can be called as AHP. They are merely clerical clerks with or without more training in medical field and their job does not involve 'identification, evaluation and prevention of diseases'.

Examples: Canadian example, UK example, US example 1, US example 2, Australian example, New Zealand Example, Singaporean Example 1, Singaporean Example 2 --Cahk (talk) 23:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about abortionist being on that list. First of all, "abortionist" is an incorrect term for the physician who performs abortions - most are ob/gyns or some other specialization of physician. There is no such specialization as "abortionist." Secondly, physicians are not considered in the allied health professions, correct? Most people who perform abortions are physicians. Listing "abortionist" is like listing "gerontologist" or "cardiologist", except not even because it's not even an accepted medical term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.37.63 (talk) 23:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I question whether "Athletic training" should be on the list. How can a coach be referred to as a health care professional? A personal trainer would not be considered to be a health care professional either. Nor would many others involved in the area of Athletic Training. The reference the link brings one to is for "Certified Athletic Trainer" which is a vocation in itself. The general term Athletic Training should be replaced with the proper term "Certified Athletic Trainer" which the link references.
Howaboutyouthinkaboutit (talk) 08:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Broken External Link

The link to "Allied health careers" under external links goes to a page with no information. Howaboutyouthinkaboutit (talk) 07:56, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

"Allied"

What is the "allied" in allied health suppose to mean? Origin? Jigen III (talk) 09:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

ServOcon (talk) The allegiance is to medicine or specifically, physicians. The term is problematic because it places physicians as the referent. The preferable term is Health Professional since it respects their legislated rights to independent clinical practice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ServOcon (talk • contribs) 17:06, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

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Definition of what is an Allied Health Professional is US centric

The included and excluded professions are US centric and based on US definitions. For example in Australia, a chaplain is not considered an Allied Health Profession whereas "excluded professions" like Pharmacy and Social Work are. I think it would be at least good practice to explain the definitions are US centric or if possible have a more nuanced description which is inclusive of other nations' definitions. 121.200.4.49 (talk) 03:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with you but the changes are unfortunately just reverted without any meaningful source to back the claim behind reversion, the last explanation was "all lists have Physiotherapy as AHP" which is a gross generalisation of Physiotherapy as a profession and certainly not factually correct since most countries follow a commonwealth system of medical education and it does not classify Physiotherapy as AHP but HCP also the US has Physical Therapy as a distinct profession. FlaminMongrel (talk) 13:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

That is a misunderstanding. All healthcare professions are "distinct" professions. That has nothing to do with being classified as an AHP. Being included as an AHP is not negative. It just means we are a team and work together. Being a member of a nation's allied health organization enables better cross-professional knowledge, sharing of resources, cooperation, and understanding. By contrast, alternative medicine=quack practitioners are not included as AHP. They fight against mainstream medicine and are not allied with mainstream medical professions. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Physiotherapy is not an allied health profession

At maximum this is only a subjective statement, the reasons cited to revert the edits pertaining to moving Physiotherapy out of AHPs are not sufficient. In UK the Physiotherapy regulated under HCPC (health and care professionals council) regards it as healthcare profession, in US what is Osteopathic medicine (DO) is considered an AHP in many countries and in India Physiotherapy is referred to as a Medical specialty, branch of medicine or modern medical science field. So to not mention these distinctions and impose personal subject bias or belief as non controversial facts is contradictory to 'spreading information' and principles of a what constitutes a dictionary. FlaminMongrel (talk) 13:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

The distinction is not a personal opinion, but based on RS that show PT is included in lists of AHP. You misunderstand these matters. All healthcare professions are "distinct" professions. That has nothing to do with being classified as an AHP. Being included as an AHP is not negative. It just means we are a team and work together. Being a member of a nation's allied health organization enables better cross-professional knowledge, sharing of resources, cooperation, and understanding.

Even India's National Commission for Allied and Healthcare Professions includes Physiotherapy, so even there we have an official classification of Physiotherapy in India as an AHP. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

FlaminMongrel, previous comments on this subject are found at Talk:Physical therapy and its archive(s). Look there for more info about this perennial discussion. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)