Talk:Alpha Delta Phi Society

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Page creation notes

This article, an expansion of a section of the Alpha Delta Phi article, was published 6 December 2022 with the efforts of members of Wikipedia's Fraternity and Sorority Project. Now that the page has been promoted from draft to mainspace, a crest may be added to the infobox. Jax MN (talk) 16:40, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Claiming alumni

As this page developed, I note the addition of notable alumni from the pre-Society (pre-coed) period. As the Society is schismatic from the all-male organization, and as prior to the 1972 split, members had no idea that their chapter would eventually leave the original organization, I think it unsupportable to show various notable graduates from the 1800s and first seven decades of the 1900s as members of the ADPhi Society. In my opinion only those notable members from the withdrawal of the chapter onward ought to be considered. Jax MN (talk) 07:15, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Jax MN, that was my opinion as well, but after @Naraht and I discussed at talk: Wiki Project Fraternities and Sororities, I had a rethink. 1) the society lists the historic members as notables on its website as found by Naraht. 2) The separation agreement between the two organizations specifically states that the they "share" the members who joined the society chapters prior to the separation. That being said, the names on the society's notable list either came from the List of Alpha Delta Phi members or are people that I found and added to both lists, so it is an quick fix if removing them from this article is the decision. I have already removed the modern Society's members from the Alpha Delta Phi list. Today, I will add the sources I found for this article to List of Alpha Delta Phi members as I am currently working on that list. Rublamb (talk) 15:23, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Good. If that is their agreement on the matter, certainly, that is what should be reflected on WP and would override the generic rule that I attempted to suggest here. I think it is valuable that we captured this topic here, too, on the Talk page. Jax MN (talk) 15:58, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

A few quick questions, is this in the original separation agreement or in the "second round"? Does this mean that we basically follow the idea on the ADPS web page describing alumni as either being F (in a chapter at any time that never became part of the Society), F/S for those alumni of chapters like Stanford who became members prior to Stanford joining the Society and S for the alumni of the Society? That seems logical.Naraht (talk) 16:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

The original. The second round added rights but did not take any away. We could label S of F/S, but there are no F only on this list as only the members of the five chapters that moved to the society are shared. (The society notables page is technically wrong to include F members from non-society chapters.) I also did not include notables from defunct F chapters on campuses that later had an S chapter; that is, the F chapter was defunct at the time of the merger. I might go back and re-read the merger agreement to see if this case is mentioned, but that is probably more work than it is worth for a couple of names. Rublamb (talk) 16:42, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I meant on the overall List of Alpha Delta Phi members page. And which chapters have gone defunct as F and came back as S?Naraht (talk) 17:21, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Harvard came back as an affiliate but has since closed. I don't think we need those notations on the fraternity's membership page. Rublamb (talk) 19:34, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Crest

Rublamb, I see that the crest you'd inserted was removed by a bot. No worries - I will update it. My cursory search found usage of this logo and several derivative versions. Did the separation agreements specify which crest became the Society's official crest? Post a link here, if you found anything on this. Jax MN (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. The agreement details its use, but I am using the crest and flag because it is on their website. We can always ask them to be sure. That image is from the fraternity's infobox so I am not sure what the deal is. I would like to use their logo (Greek letters with Society underneath) but don't have access to it yet. Rublamb (talk) 21:18, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I didn't know if a specific crest was spelled out. The version with "Society" at the bottom would clearly be a candidate, but didn't know if it is favored. In their newsletters they use the standard ADPhi crest in color, and a B&W etching. I sent a note to the HQ teams for both groups, advising that this new page is in the works and asking them to provide any comment. Jax MN (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)