Talk:Alpine A110

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If anyone could check the table of the engines, I would like that a lot.
I just formated it, it's not my data, so I hope it's allright.
Boris Barowski 22:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Convert templates

Hello Mr.choppers, I noticed you reverted my addition of convert templates in the entire Alpine A110 article on the same day I edited the article (17 August 2024). You could have made the changes when you previously edited the article on 16 October 2023, because it appears the article had no convert template at all from the date of publication, contrary to Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions

You then added "some" convert templates and changed the horsepower number to PS when the article states SAE. I could be wrong but I believe this meant that at the time, it was not PS but Horsepower, perhaps out of a British magazine? If it were PS it would be DIN after the number. The first 2 paragraphs are still missing a convert template. Perhaps you could fix it? Avi8tor (talk) 12:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Did you read what I wrote in my edit summaries? I didn't make any changes because there were no factual errors before you introduced them. Many European manufacturers used the SAE rating system with metric hp. You are mixing up a ratings system with the definition of a unit. fr:Alpine_A110#Motorisations_et_caractéristiques shows you a bit more, please note that the kW values indicate 735.5W per horsepower.  Mr.choppers | ✎  14:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

You will find that the original article before I added a convert template had only horsepower or brake-horsepower, no PS, no kW and no convert template. It was you that decided hp was now PS and bhp was now PS, because the errors were in there previously. You could have fixed this when you edited in October 2023, but chose not to. Avi8tor (talk) 15:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

If you look at the article now, it still has horsepower only in much of the text for what you consider (probably correctly) to be PS. With the information from the French article you might as well fix the rest of the article which appears to have used the incorrect designation for power since initial publication in Wikipedia. Avi8tor (talk) 15:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

For the 100,000th time: there is no universally agreed upon abbreviation for metric horsepower. PS is probably the most popular way to abbreviate it in English, but many (including BMW UK) use bhp or hp to denote metric horsepower. These designations never were and are not incorrect. There was no error until the faulty conversions were added. This is why this conversion exists:

{{cvt|138|hp-metric|kW|0}}: 138 hp (101 kW); if it was imperial hp the result would be 138 bhp (103 kW).  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I disagree with your statement there is no agreed abbreviation. Wikipedia has an article on horsepower that gives definitions and abbreviations for HP, PS and kW. The reason we use kilowatts is because it is an ISO world standard, all car manufacturers use it for defining power, it is the marketing folks who confuse things by assuming customers want HP or CV or PS. Avi8tor (talk) 04:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Avi8tor: From the hp article: The various units used to indicate this definition (PS, KM, cv, hk, pk, k, ks and ch) all translate to horse power in English. British manufacturers often intermix metric horsepower and mechanical horsepower depending on the origin of the engine in question. Also, I just posted an example of the conversion template using {{cvt|138|hp-metric|kW|0}}.  Mr.choppers | ✎  13:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Does this convert template give a different number in kW than it normally would? Or are you saying this horsepower is what would normally be PS or CV but they source gave hp. Can we be sure it is metric horsepower from the source information? Avi8tor (talk) 11:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

For the convert template, re-read my comment above, from August 19, 19:46. Or try it yourself. We can be fairly sure that Alpine never used imperial horsepower. See here; is there a single imperial measurement?  Mr.choppers | ✎  23:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)