Talk:Alvin Ailey

poorly written article

i also agree because what about the techniques Alvin Ailey uses like does he use story lines or pure dance? thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.123.82 (talk) 23:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

This is a good suggestion. I dislike it when an artist's style or technique isn't touched on in an article. I'll try to address it in this article. Ailey was technique agnostic. There is no true 'Ailey technique' like there is for Graham or Horton. He was a choreographer who made dynamic use of his prior influences and techniques. Dunham, Graham, Horton, jazz, african dance, modern and ballet can all be seen in his work. He incorporates all of them but is loyal to none of them. That is part of what makes Ailey's work so inviting in my opinion. So many familiar elements incorporated to form a unique experience. Ailey's dancers have to be able to do it all from street hip hop to classical ballet. Sugarcoma (talk) 19:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

This article is pretty lame. Gonna try to help out with this. I'm taking a dance history class and have been studying Ailey. Just to note I found [1] and it's way better. It's under the GNU license so we could pull it over here but I'm not sure what the policy. Do we copy the info or do we simply link? User:sugarcoma 11:12pm, 03 Febuary 2008 (PST)

It is possible. Especially since the article on newworldencyclopedia is derived from the Wikipedia article. But the other article does not has a neutral point of view though. Sentences like "His works continue to inspire, uplift, educate, and communicate brilliance to all who witness them" should never be on Wikipedia. Garion96 (talk) 09:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I was impressed mostly by the amount content. Not all of it is high quality. The improvements I made need to be gone over. I did the initial neutrality check when I wrote it but I'm it could be a bit more neutral. I'll be revising it as I go along. It will be for a paper I'm writing for class. Sugarcoma (talk) 09:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

The deeper I get into this the more intense the work becomes. This whole page is getting an overhaul. Consider it a work in progress for now. Sugarcoma (talk) 09:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree that it is a work in progress and very grateful for yours and everyone else’s hardwork. It’s hard to keep seeing information about historically marginalizing people being diluted through time. I would say for any future or present editors that the page layout seems a bit disorganized. I can tell the content is being organized in a quantity sequence although that makes this article titled Alvin Ailey more about his professional contributions and quite literally nothing else about him. Maybe a different title to the page would suffice? Vhenekoc (talk) 22:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

agreed. More information is needed

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The use of primitive in the lead section and no further explanation/citation

Within the lead section there is a mention in the second paragraph that describes Alvin Ailey's style of choreography as blending primitive dance along with other techniques. There is no follow-up mention about his primitive influences later on in the article whereas all other influences are explored a bit further. Primitive is a term that specifically describes rejecting modern art techniques or relating to earlier stages of dance's development[2] so without explanation and citation for this supposed influence I would deem this comment irrelevant and perhaps even inaccurate. I see in the Talk Page that some users have noted he had African dance influences. If this is what the "primitive" comment is meant to reference then those specific African dance techniques should be cited and the word primitive would be incorrect. Furthermore, I think the legacy of undermining and undervaluing Black dancers' and choreographers' contributions to the dance world should be considered with the use of this word. I believe that the use of the word primitive, without further citation, has the potential of being laden with bias and negative stereotypes. Could someone clarify this for me? Aefmra (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Aefmra: I had the same thought. Since no one has replied to your question yet, I wonder if it can be edited to "African" as it is more specific, accurate, and not demeaning. Peacekeepurwar (talk) 20:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I removed the line and the source it was closely paraphrased/copied from [3] (a 3-sentence entry in the 1990 Oxford Illustrated Encyclopedia of the Arts). Also, per MOS:LEAD, the term "primitive" does not appear to reflect the content of the article. Beccaynr (talk) 21:27, 4 December 2022 (UTC)