Talk:Alys of France, Countess of Vexin
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editCanterbury Papers takes many liberties with the historical record. but there is one point that seems unlikely to be made up, the claim that Alys had a congenitally withered left hand. Is there any other source for this? Bovlb 17:04, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
When was she born?
editThere's a genealogical problem with this lady. When was she really born? Almost all Wikipedia articles say 1170, and that she was the younger full sister of Philip II of France. But the French Wikipedia entry for her fr:Adèle de France says 1160 (though this article also makes her daughter of Adèle of Champagne, which seems impossible since Louis VII of France only married Adèle in November 1160 and that was just five weeks after his second wife's death). Now, reliable non-Wikipedia sources tell me (a) that Alys was born in 1160, the daughter of Louis's second wife Constance of Castile, and that her mother died one day after giving birth; (b) that Alys and Richard I of England were betrothed in 1169; (c) that in 1177 the Pope attempted to insist that Henry II of England, in whose custody she was, should proceed at once with her marriage to Richard. The Pope would not have done that if she was only seven years old. So, is there some real problem in the sources, of which I'm not aware? Is there really any evidence of an Alys born in 1170? Because, if not, I'll put her back to 1160 throughout and it will all make sense. Andrew Dalby 12:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I now see that the change from 1160 to 1170 was introduced across several articles at the same time, four weeks ago. Unless I hear why the nameless user made this change, I'll change it all back. Andrew Dalby 13:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
... and I should add that I myself, wrongly assuming that the information then spreading in other Wikipedia articles was correct, contributed to the confusion. I am now putting her date of birth back to 1160 wherever necessary. If anyone does have evidence that she was born in 1170 after all, please add and footnote it! Andrew Dalby 11:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- An editor on the French Wikipedia has now explained the origin of the statement that Alys was born in 1170. It comes from an 18th century genealogy by Anthelme. For the details, see User talk:Andrew Dalby#Adèle de France / Spouse of Guillaume II de Ponthieu. It is clearly wrong, but since it gave rise to this problem I'll footnote it here and in the French article. Andrew Dalby 13:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Leo van de Pas from Worldroots.com clearly says that Alys was born 23 April 1170, making her the daughter of Adéle de Chaampagne.jeanne (talk) 15:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Name change
editShouldn't the name be changed to Alys of Vexin? The Vexin sounds strange.15:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)jeanne (talk)
- Yes, I've moved it (8 years later!) Mieux vaut tard que jamais... Eric talk 21:31, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Edits
editI have added a new part to Portrayals in fiction. Maymichael2 (talk) 15:47, 31 July 2015 (UTC)