Talk:Amanda Tenfjord

Place of Birth

Im puzzled that the article has source that she was born in Norway, but for some reason it is changed to that she was born in Greece. You can find on page 15 of a Norwegian newspaper "Sunnmøreposten" from the 11th of January in 1997 announcing her birth in the Central Hospital of Møre og Romsdal on the 9th of January. It's a bit of a work to get access to the newspaper article since it's protected behind a research license, so you have to request special access. I have made a screenshot of the article, but I don't think it's fair use. Translated from Norwegian to English the article about births at the hospital says:

Born
Central Hospital of Møre og Romsdal
(a bunch of irrelevant births before the next to last announcement)
9th of January: A girl, Greta Tenfjord and Konstantinos Georgiadis, Tennfjord.

The author of the change back to her being born in Greece sources with a YouTube video. The confusion is maybe that her family/mother moved to Greece after her birth, so she grew up in Greece. I don't speak greek, so it's hard to understand the video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimern9 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Amanda has stated on many articles and interviews that she was born in Ioannina Epirus Greece Honestbro.32 (talk) 20:09, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

The YouTube interview and many other souces as well as her "Biography" in Greek on Wikipedia is solid proof of Amanda also stating she was born in Ioannina Epirus Greece and moved with her family at the age of 3.

Her family moved back to her Mother's heritage town of "Tenfjord" in Norway where she adopted her performing and stage name of "AmandaTenfjord".

As these are words not by an article found in a Norwegian paper but actual Confessions by Amanda herself and also interviews from her family in Greece by Greek Newspapers, Magazines and journalists, therefore is completely accurate information..

Unless Amanda states otherwise the Correct information is

- She was Born on the 9th of January 1997 in Ioannina Epirus Greece. Honestbro.32 (talk) 20:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I have just given a strong source that she was baptized in Norway with the name "Amanda Klara Georgiadis Tenfjord". This means that the family frequently visited Norway while living in Greece during her first years. I've provided a newspaper article 2 days after her birth that says she was born at a Norwegian hospital. Are you saying that article is false? Why would the hospital announce a birth wrongly? Kimern9 (talk) 13:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

It is your words against Amanda'words! Medical records and information on birth are not accessible by the public and especially in in 1998.

Church Registers

Church Registers (scanned) younger than 60 years are generally not available for the general public. However lists of baptisms from 1930 and later must be controlled for information about adoptions before they can be handed out to the public. Information about most adoptions younger than 100 years is not generally available. The Digital Archives cannot show searchable information about living people and have therefore even stricter limits. At present information about baptisms up to 1910 can be made available, confirmations up to 1925 and marriages up to 1930. Lists over deceased can be shown right up to the present day, but sensitive information ( health, religion, economy, adoption etc.) is removed. These limits apply only to the databases in the Digital Archives. Digital images of the church registers have different limits. Birth and baptism records are closed for the public from 1930, confirmation records from 1935, marriage and banns records from 2005, death, burial and stillbirth records from 1926, death and burial records without cause of death from 2005, migration records from 2005, joins and leavings of the State Church from 1945 and records about dissenters from 1945. Honestbro.32 (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

So basically Kimern9 if you do not personally have access to her birth certificate the newspaper is simply just an article.! It is your words against what she had stated in her biography during interviews about her information..! Honestbro.32 (talk) 12:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Why are you repeating yourself? You should try to obtain better sources. Your point has been answered by admin Black Kite below and I also don't think that Amanda's interviews regarding her contribution to Eurovision on behalf of Greece is more reliable than a Norwegian newspaper published 2 days after her birth.

I don't know what the relevance of your quote from this website is: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Norway_Vital_Records but at least cite it next time when you copy information from it. It's normal in Norway for newspapers to list the names of babies baptized/born. It's not a church register or birth certificate. It's a newspaper reporting on information that can be publisized. A birth certificate would contain private information not suited for being publicized while the person lives, like their social security number. Kimern9 (talk) 19:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Kimern9 Sorry but your comment has no strong backings either if you claim Amanda is a Lier! It is you words against hers! And as a person who you claim supports her should support her information claimed by herself and her family! The Greek national broadcast ERT and Government of Greece recognise her been born in Greece! You claim an article from a newspaper which is a media product such as the Internet which is 99% false. Even Wikapedia is all false information, just like what you are demanding from an old newspaper that just has part of her name! Tenfjord is not even her Surname!! That is the name of the township her mother is from.

Birth Certificates are not provided to the public, unless you have access to her personal information it is your claim over 1 Newspaper over Her statement and what the Greek Government recognise of her birth!

You say I am repeating myself but you are the one that is demanding her as a lier that is defamation of identity!!. Honestbro.32 (talk) 14:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

2 days after her birth the newspaper published: "9th of January: A girl, Greta Tenfjord and Konstantinos Georgiadis, Tennfjord.". All your recent Greek news articles are in relation to Eurovision and probably based on the same source.

"Greta Katrin Tenfjord" is the name of Amanda's mother. "Konstantinos Georgiadis" is the name of the father.

"Tenfjord" is indeed Amanda's surname, which she got from her mother. You have to back up your claim that this isn't true. The Wikipedia article has references to multiple news articles confirming the mothers name. I have also just now confirmed that Amanda's complete name is "AMANDA KLARA GEORGIADIS TENFJORD" by checking the tax lists of Norway. They are publicly accessible after logging in to the Norwegian Tax Administration's website with a Norwegian bank ID.

Indeed, in Norway it's possible to take the mothers surname as the primary surname. I think it's more normal that you take the surname of the father as primary, but it's optional. Myself I have both my father and my mothers surname.

I think their plan alaways was to move back to Norway, so having her born in Norway and having a Norwegian sounding surname would be advantageous. That is speculation though.

Her mother, Greta Tenfjord is from Tennfjord. Notice that the township where she comes from has two "n"'s, and her surname does not. Tenfjord is a surname that I find numerous people in Norway share by doing a search with Google.

People may claim things that aren't true because it's advantageous at the moment to the situation they are in. By looking at the Greek version of the Wikipedia article it's apparant that it's important for the Greek editors to downplay her Norwegian nationality. I mean, the name of the Wikipedia article is "Amanda Georgiadi" which I can only find recent Greek news articles about Eurovision referring to as her name. There are multiple strong sources that Tenfjord is her surname, and I have confirmed her full name above. Lets see if it will be fixed? Kimern9 (talk) 22:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Kimern9 The Greek article has been edited recently after discussion, and now both versions on the subject are presented: in Ålesund, Norway according the 1997 Norwegian publication of the birth registrations, and in Ioannina, Greece as stated by herself in Greek in an interview. Although personaly I am almost convinced she was born in Norway (could be a more complicated issue, because her mother in an interview said that the Georgiadis-Tenfjord family had been living in Athens, Greece and Ioannina, Greece for seven years before moving to Norway, that is they already residing in Greece -in Athens first, and later in Ioannina- four years before Amanda's birth), I thing there must be a note about "Ioannina" as her alleged birthplace. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 08:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Good idea! I added a sentence about the disputed birth place at the Early life and education section. — Ætoms ^[talk] 10:56, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I question if this is needed and if it improves the article? Right now the fact box has no city of birth. Ålesund should be left as the birth place, and then maybe a footnote that Amanda has stated otherwise if that really is necessary.

Like admin Black Kite stated below referring to WP:BLPSELFPUB point 4, to not use a source when it's doubt as to its authenticity, "which there clearly is here".

We'll possibly never get a better reliable source about her birth place than a newspaper article published 2 days after her birth at a time when her family was not celebrity.

I fail to see any reasonable explanation why a Norwegian newspaper would publish something that wrong based on a report of births from a Norwegian hospital, or how the hospital could have made such a mistake before sending the report to the newspaper. Kimern9 (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kimern9 You are missing the point. Ιt's not a matter of questioning the reliability of the publication in the Norwegian newspaper. But the fact that herself, Amanda Tenfjord in flesh and blood, has stated something different is not beyond interest -on the contrary. The statement must be presented in the article (even in a [foot]note) and let the readers decide why Amanda has chosen to say that she was born in Greece, although according to a reliable source it appears that this was not the case. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 09:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct. If there is a reliable source reporting that she claims to have been born in Greece, that can certainly be mentioned although it cannot be presented as fact in Wikipedia's voice and must be made clear that it is simply her claim, as she is not a reliable source herself. (That's not to say that she is a liar - no BLP subject is regarded as reliable for information about themselves unless it is backed up by independent reliable sources). Black Kite (talk) 09:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I haven't read the newspaper notice, but if the parents often visited Norway and the parents of the mother lived and still lives there along with any other relatives, then it's not unheard of that a local newspaper (at least in Norway) might add another name to "these are the newly born" for this area without getting the information directly from the hospital itself.

If the text under the notice (often along with a picture) specifically says which hospital and the time it happened, which often happens in these kinds of notices, then it's admittedly a bit more difficult to explain away the fact. Hekseuret (talk) 18:37, 13 January 2023 (UTC)