Talk:Amaravati/Archive 1

Archive 1

Edit warring over city 'name'

I've suggested to a few editors that they should come here to discuss the continual addition of the alleged name of this city being 'Amaravati' or 'Amaravathi'. The edit warring has to stop. Even semi-protection has not worked entirely as some of the accounts are now wp:autoconfirmed. 220 of ^Borg 02:02, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@220 of Borg:There is no official news about the city name. No gazettes have been released till now. They are adding those names based a newspaper article.--Vin09 (talk) 09:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I understand. Possibly the best that could be said is that the proposed name is Amaravati/Amaravathi? 220 of ^Borg 12:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Andhra Pradesh Capital Region

We have three articles all dealing with the same fundamental point, ie: that some sort of new capital city will be built. Since the specific proposals - location, name etc - are at present in their very early stage, and since we have WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOTNEWS also, it would be better if they were all brought under one heading. I'm proposing merging Andhra Pradesh Capital Region Development Authority to that target also, at least until things settle down. Sitush (talk) 04:44, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose I respect your view. Andhra Pradesh Capital Region Development Authority do exist as of gazette released on dec 31 2014. Also, about capital and region both are pretty different. For these also gazettes available from the government sites. It is not WP:CRYSTAL because that would apply only if the things were assumptive. Here the capital is declared and the bill was also passed in the state assembly. Only the thing is construction of buildings and government offices are not there. But those things are nothing to do with the topic. The topic is about Capital officially recognized by government. Any comments.--Vin09 (talk) 09:45, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Some sort of merging is necessary. There was agreement in principle for this at WT:INB. I'm not fussed exactly what goes where but there are around four articles all dealing with fundamentally the same thing. It is the usual story of clueless contributors rushing around doing things that they should not do per WP:NOTNEWS. - Sitush (talk) 02:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

@Sitush: You are a senior editor, you know better with your experience. I obey on your sentence of some sort of merging. I'll help if anything from my part is necessary. Thanks.--Vin09 (talk) 07:36, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 18 April 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 57 21:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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Andhra Pradesh Capital City → Amaravati, Andhra Pradesh – The new capital is named after this name. So, move this article to Amaravati, Andhra Pradesh and the existing village article to Amaravati, Guntur district. Ref- new capital name, ref2, ref3, ref4. Vin09 (talk) 16:56, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

• Comment The destination is taken with a separate article and an RM discussion has not moved it yet. Please in future can people combine such move nominations rather than risk contradictory consensus. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. What a mess... outstanding proposed merge, and this move would overwrite another good article. Please let's have a centralised discussion? Meantime just close this RM as not at all helpful I think. Andrewa (talk) 22:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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Move subsequent comments

@Andrewa: If that is not possible, it can be moved to the page namely, Amaravati, Andhra Pradesh capital.--Vin09 (talk) 10:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

• It seems to me that Andhra Pradesh capital city should be merged with Andhra Pradesh Capital Region with a separate article for Amaravati in the same way that the National Capital Region (India) references New Delhi.  Philg88 ^♦talk 11:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

@Philg88: But Amaravathi, Andhra Pradesh is a village, while Andhra Pradesh Capital City was named as Amaravathi too. The above example you mentioned has a separate article for a capital i.e., New Delhi. There are two articles Delhi, New Delhi.--Vin09 (talk) 11:40, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Andhra Pradesh Capital City, also known as Amaravati Capital City should solve the problem with the appropriate redirect. Note that this is a separate article from Andhra Pradesh Capital Region.  Philg88 ^♦talk 13:45, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

@Philg88:Yes, AP capital region is a separate article.--Vin09 (talk) 03:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@Jenks24:The page was moved from Amaravati (Capital city) to Amaravati (State capital). Is the naming ok?--Vin09 (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

list of images

These are the list of images sir, I wish to add them and create skyline image, tell me what you wish to delete in these.

• Front_view_of_Amaravati_Gopuram.jpg (within city)
• NTR Bus Station in Guntur.jpg (nearest major bus station to AP secreteriat)
• Amaravati buddha.jpg (cultural site)
• GntDistCourt.jpg (district court - currently only court for the capital city)
• Kugler Hospital, Guntur.jpg (iconic hospital near to capital city) Rangasthal (talk) 08:39, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

NTR bus station, Kugler hospital and and the district court belongs to the city of Guntur, Amaravati statue may also not be added, but it has become an icon of the core capital, so as of now till structures are built it is ok to add, temporary secretariat is also fine, Amaravati gorpuram is situated in Amaravati village can also be added.Vin09 (talk) 08:42, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

sir, the entire Amaravati mandal, Andhra Pradesh comes under the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh_Capital_Region#Fully_included_mandals Rangasthal (talk) 08:46, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes you are right, so I think it may also be not added.--Vin09 (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

mastaaru, simple question, the entire Guntur District is also a part of Amaravati capital city ? kugler hospital, and Guntur bus stand come under Guntur district right ? then why cant we include them? just asking Rangasthal (talk) 08:50, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

@Rangasthal: I've started a discussion at Talk:Amaravati (state capital). Guntur district is a part of APCRDA not a part of Amaravati (state capital).--Vin09 (talk) 08:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Gachibowli is (serlingampally mandal of RR district) is also part of Hyderabad capital city, the same logic applies here, even though Telangana Secreteria

They were merged in GHMC, a part of Hyderabad city municipal corporation. Amaravati 217sq.km. area was de-notified as an Urban Area and will become Nagar panchayat or municipality, it is the main core city. The Guntur district and Krishna district areas were a part of APCRDA, larger Metropolitan region.--Vin09 (talk) 09:02, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

what about mangalagiri town skyline ? I think we can include it Rangasthal (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Please do not start new sections, continue in the same section, I'm getting edit conflict errors. To be clear please check Amaravati_(state_capital)#Jurisdiction, you can add whatever images you have in this table. Remember not the whole mandal for Mangalagiri, but only Krishnayapalem, Nowlur villages images if you have.--Vin09 (talk) 09:02, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

This montage perfectly fits the bill. I need your help to combine this montage into a single skyline file (example - Hyderabad montage-2.png)

File:Amaravati buddha.jpg

Rangasthal (talk) 09:15, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I'd suggest some corrections, if you take my words positively, the temple I think is of Amaravati village, as it is already placed in Andhra Pradesh Capital Region, you can try them there. So, only Velgapudi secretariat, include Prakasam Barrage, as it is a located at Undavalli, a part of capital city and Krishna River if possible. Buddha statue can be added as it is an icon for the capital--Vin09 (talk) 09:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Tadepalli Residential is also fine.--Vin09 (talk) 09:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

How about this

File:Amaravati buddha.jpg

can u make these a single skyline file Rangasthal (talk) 09:26, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I'll do it but needs some time. If you can try it out, add images in paint and place images together to combine them. Also, remember when you upload it in commons, please provide the permissions and the author names, from where you found them. Thanks for being cooperative and discussing. Hope you continue to edit wiki.--Vin09 (talk) 09:30, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Article Redundancy

Guys Amaravati -> Amaravathi -> Amaravathi (Historic Town) and Amaravati (State Capital) are all one and the same. These articles should be merged in to one single article. "Amaravati" without "H" is the correct spelling. There are zillion sources which spell it "Amaravati" (Even the state government spells it Amaravati which should treated as statute). I see so many inept and irrelevent discussions on both the article's talk pages where people are trying to push their agenda and point of view and try to confuse the reader due to their prejudices.Nagarjuna198 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nagarjuna198 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 9 February 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Per COMMONNAME and PRIMARYTOPIC. The consensus wasn't clear (2/2) but consider this an editorial supervote. Amaravati (state capital) was clearly the primary topic and common name and if you use pageviews for that measure, it is clear. Furthermore, you have to understand that the importance of the state capital supersedes all of the others, even if in your opinion, another city is important, that is not a matter in case of objective votes. QEDK (愛) 08:27, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

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• Amaravati (state capital) → Amaravati
• Amaravati → Amaravati (disambiguation)

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This article is about the capital city of an Indian state, with 100 000 people. On the other hand, all other articles on the Amaravati disambiguation page are more minor, unimportant topics. So, I think that this article is the primary topic and should be moved. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 16:02, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose fails to garner 50% of page views. And that is without being able to check the wiktionary meaning of Amaravati, as Nirvana. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:14, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose : Other pages are not minor. Amravati is a major city in Maharashtra.--Vin09 (talk) 13:43, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment While Amravati is a fairly important city, surely most Wikipedia visitors looking for an article on that city would search for "Amravati" rather than "Amaravati"? Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 16:52, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
• Support : City in maharashtra is known as Amravati . Whereas capital of AP is known as Amaravati. This is very clear and spelling totally differs. It does not look great having a Name of the city which is A state capital and which could emerge as big city in future in braces. Please think overBy LovSLif (talk) 02:58, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Moving the page to "Amaravati, Andhra Pradesh" seems the logical course of action to take to avoid confusion between this city and similarly named cities in other states Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 14:11, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

• Comment While "Amaravati, Andhra Pradesh" would be better than the current title (it's a more standard form of disambiguation), I still don't think disambiguation is necessary when wanting to avoid confusion with similarly-named articles, and the ideal title for this article is simply "Amaravati". I don't think there's any precedent on Wikipedia for using disambiguation solely because other articles have similar titles; normally no disambiguation is used in such circumstances– c.f. Chatham-Kent (no disambiguation, similar article at Chatham, Kent); Amravati (no disambiguation, similar articles at Amaravati); BlackBerry (no disambiguation, similar article at Blackberry); Haarlem (no disambiguation, similar article at Harlem).Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 15:28, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Comment : I myself nominated it earlier for a move at Talk:Amaravati (state capital)#Requested move 18 April 2015. It was turned down.--Vin09 (talk) 07:42, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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Need Explanation on reverting Economy and Transport content

Hi Vin09 , could you please let me know the reason why Agro based content and IT sub heading contents are reverted? The Current city area is part of Guntur District and hence the same economy applies probably to this area. Mangalagiri textiles are excluded. May I know the reason? These sarees are manufactured not just in the town of mangalagiri but also in entire mandal which is now part of amaravati Also, The Amaravati Metro Rail Corporation Limited could be SPV but it is not confined to Vijayawada. It is being constructed to connect till amaravati. Metro connectivity is not just confined to city area alone. For example Mumbai , Delhi metros connect to the most of metropolitan region. I believe the same applies to Amaravati. Is metro confined to a city?? By LovSLif (talk) 08:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@LovSLif: Whatever you add please provide a reference and it should contain the areas that fall in the newly constructed city. The IT is in Vijayawada, even metro too. It's a part of the city exclusively. The city may be a single unit, it collectively defined when we say it as a metro area of Amaravati as all the area falls in APCRDA.You can write them in Andhraa Pradesh Capotal Region, it's absolutely fine there. Mentioning other city info here is redundant. There was earlier a discussion also, admins have told the same thing. You clearly said city area is part of Guntur District. So there are 4 more cities viz., Guntur, Chilakaluripet, Narasaraopet and Tenali, we can't add all theirs in this page. They are all separate ULBs governed by their own civic bodies. About sarees, I think it can be, beacause a part of Mangalagiri mandal falls under the capital city jurisdiction, but provide the reference. The name may be Amaravati metro, but as of now there no such proposal for its extension. It has only two routes MG Road and Eluru road of exclusive Vijayawada only. When it comes to other metros, they definitely have a detailed master plan including its extension and is confined to a single city.

Note: There was a proposal to extend the metro till Guntur. It was turned down because the city didn't satisfy the criteria of population i.e., 1 million (metro min. population).

You are always welcome to ask me. I'll provide whatever info is required. Cheers!--Vin09 (talk) 14:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Vin09 ,Thank you for the information By LovSLif (talk) 13:11, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

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Founder Information

How can that Wikipedia can confirm the statement "Founded by N. Chandrababu Naidu". I wish, this kind of statement suppose to happen for all the states/ countries available in India / world or else it supposes to provide a proper statement. And, I feel it would be justified if the statement can come up as "First CM for Bifurcated AP".

Agreed - removed. Johnbod (talk) 14:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Venkatadri Naidu is also the first Indian king to revolt against British rule in India

Seems, it could require the historical reference, rather than just mentioned the statement and reference to the general storybook. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.166.114.123 (talk) 07:49, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Kamma Kings

Just to check, whether the Indian history or in Andhra History (Pre and post) do we have any dynasty or clan with the name "Kamma Kings". If, we can have an any prescribed and authorized evidence can please provide the reference and do mention that the King belongs to "Kamma Kings". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.166.114.123 (talk) 11:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Seems more authentication and content to be proof-read

Amaravati is the capital city of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. It is located in Guntur, located on the Krishna River. It is bordered by Krishna district and Guntur district.

[It was finalized as new capital for the state by N. Chandrababu Naidu]:

Hope so, this statement would require more clarity and how can the name got finalized by the present CM of AP and there has no interlink between this line and the previous.

[Kamma Kings]: Amaravati was the capital city for many kingdoms. In that case, why it suppose to mention a specific group and moreover there was no authentication for that statement.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.166.114.123 (talk • contribs)

The Kamma bit was inserted by User:Buchkat1 who is obviously same as User:Jiksaw1 (See [1]). Content removed, and user blocked as sock. utcursch | talk 21:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Vision

Hi, This section looks like a political column. Whatever done by a Government is being attested to a person. It is Andhra Pradesh government which took decisions under the CM and his cabinet. It always needs Cabinets approval for everything to be done- see this [2]. And funds are given by Central government for the construction capital as per this [3]. Also See this [4] This section looks like composed to praise Chandra babu Naidu and is clearly POV aggi007(talk) 13:44, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I have fixed that issue to some extent. Please read the article again. It might still need some fixing. Please give your suggestions.Sharkslayer87 (talk) 13:48, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

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Unsourced History Section

The history section is in need of sources and reorganization. It also suffers from WP:Overlinking. Suggested sources from the Satavahana article are provided. --Spasemunki (talk) 10:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Fate of Amaravati as the sole Capital of Andhra Pradesh

The Andhra Pradesh is planning to move away the executive and judicial wings of the capital from Amaravati to Visakhapatnam and Kurnool respectively. That has been added to the lead section as it should include prominent controversies per MOS:LEAD. Please discuss here before removing anything from the lead. Thanks Sharkslayer87 (talk) 04:45, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

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nearly 27,000 acres of land were once donated to poor people by Raja Venkatadri Naidu

Seems we need to cross check the statement

"nearly 27,000 acres of land were once donated to poor people by Raja Venkatadri Naidu".

Coz,"Vasireddy Murali Krishna", General Secretary of city-based Vasireddy Venkatadri Abhyudaya Samiti mentioned to The Hindu that “Of the 33,000 acres pooled by the government, nearly 7,000 acres were the ones donated by Venkatadri Naidu”

Reference: "Vasireddy’s descendants do not get invitation - The Hindu [Dated on OCTOBER 21, 2015]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.166.114.123 (talk) 07:44, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Founder in the infobox

An editor keeps changing the name of the founder in the infobox from N. Chandrababu Naidu to Vasireddy Venkatadri Nayudu.^[5] The infobox is intended as a summary of the article.

• The article talks about how N. Chandrababu Naidu founded Amaravati as the capital city of Andhra Pradesh in 2014-15 (the infobox says 2014). There are citations for this in the article.
• The article also mentions Vasireddy Venkatadri Nayudu founding a village called Amaravati in the late 18th or early 19th century (Vasireddy Venkatadri Nayudu died in 1816).

It does not make any sense for the infobox to state that the city was founded in 2014 by someone who died in 1816, and clearly did not found the modern city.-- Toddy1 (talk) 04:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

According to the article on Amaravathi, Palnadu district, the village of Amaravathi was founded by Vasireddy Venkatadri Nayudu in the 1790s. It says that the city of Amaravati is 35 km (22 mi) east of the village.-- Toddy1 (talk) 05:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

who are you? what is your monopoly on wikipoly?

Stop rubbing ur personal views on south Indian articles like Amaravati and Hyderabad. The name of Amaravti is from the original Amaravathi site founded by Vasiraju stop rubbing your european tactics on articles related to AP and Telangana, we dont need ur manipulations here Ustadeditor2011 (talk) 07:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@DMacks I don't believe there will ever be any change in @Ustadeditor2011 behavior towards other editors. I can also move this to ANI as this is most likely not an appropriate venue for this complaint, but just pinging you beforehand — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

You protect Amaravati article first. Then talk about behavior. You dont allow Infobox to be updated, you dont allow articles to be updated, I have complained about the IP addresses disruption, you dont take any action. But you talk about my behavior ? Ustadeditor2011 (talk) 10:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Amaravati original founder is not N. Chandrababu Naidu, it is Vasireddy Venkatadri Nayudu. Make sure DaxServer protect that matter. After that you can complain about me anywhere. Politicians wont be founders of cities and capitals, it is unnatural. Ustadeditor2011 (talk) 10:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

This is wrong explanation, it is other way around. Amaravathi, Palnadu district, is not a village, it is a temple town founded by Vasireddy Venkatadri Nayudu in the 1790s based on which the name Amaravati is carved out 35 km away. Ustadeditor2011 (talk) 10:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

And why is your talk page showing wikipoly? it means you are indirectly suggesting your monopoly on wiki? Ustadeditor2011 (talk) 10:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I do not think that protecting the article is the right solution. IP editors like 60.243.160.114 from Hyderabad make productive contributions (with sensible edit summaries), and should be allowed to continue editing the page. -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)