Talk:Amarte Es un Placer (album)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Esprit15d (talk · contribs) 18:40, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

First of all, STRONG work. The article is in great shape and it's obvious a lot of time and careful attention has gone into it. That said, I have a few comments:

• "By 1998, Miguel was considered the most popular Latin artist internationally" — This is an opinion that has to be attributed to someone. Like, "People en Español listed him as the most popular artist." Or "He was listed on 4 year-end lists at the conclusion of 1998." Otherwise, it's a POV statement.
• "Miguel began a relationship with American singer Mariah Carey the following year.[7]" It's unclear what this has to do with the background of the album. I would recommend you group all the Carey relate info together.
• I would also recommend all the info about him not recording be in English be together.
• In the paragraph that begins, "Miguel held a press conference...", you need an inline citation directly behind each quote.
• Since this sentence is at a the end of a paragraph, it needs an inline citation, "The concerts drew over 255,000 attendees, another record for the artist."
• I edited this sentence to read "and after a few more performances in the US, ended the tour in San Diego on 6 May 2000." It looks like it originally had a placeholder to include the venue, but as it was, it was missing a word.

Unfortunately, I've been interrupted and can't finish the review. I ended at Promotion and will resume the review soon. But in the meantime, try to address the above matters.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 18:40, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I've returned with my final recommendations:

• The Critical response section is really strong. I probably would have made some of those reviews more concise, but it doesn't violate the GA criteria.
• Take out "Leila Cobo was surprised at the wins having found the record to be "unremarkable". Per WP:WEIGHT, Cobo's opinion is overrepresented in the article. We already know she didn't like the album. We don't need her reaction at every stage of the game. Plus, there's no reference for the quote.
• I wouldn't fail for this, but do we know why Miguel didn't come or perform at the awards ceremony?
• Side point: I LOVED MTV Unplugged by Maná. Ahem.
• Under "Performance credits," it's not clear what the names at the first part of the second column are.
• The references are absolutely beautiful. It seems like you've already included a number of convenience links, but the more the merrier. But the reference section looks amazing.
• The sound clips look great.
• The infobox is great.

That's all. Just address those few issues, and I could pass this article.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 01:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

@Esprit15d: Thanks for the review! I addressed most of the things you brought. It's not known why Miguel didn't show up, but he has a history of avoiding public eye when he's either not doing a tour or a press conference to promote an album. It's not the first time he's snub a chance to perform live for an award show. For the performances, I used auto div, so I'm not sure how I can fix it (the names are continuing from viola musicians). And as the most popular Latin artist, I'll quote the article: "In 1998, Luis Miguel was by far the most popular Latin artist around - a 28-year-old with 11 albums, four Grammys and 35 million records sold worldwide, all without singing a word in English (save for a duet with Frank Sinatra on Duets II)." Any suggestions? Also on your side note, I have a peer review open for an article I want nominate for FL that includes MTV Unplugged in the list if you're interested in taking a look at it. :P Erick (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

@Magiciandude:: You've done some great work improving the article, and it's really, really close. You didn't have to take out everything about Cabo, just her response to the Grammy, although I that's your choice of course. However, the "he was considered the most popular Latin artist," is still a problem. It is an opinion and Wikipedia does not assert any opinions at all. Any opinion, anywhere, in any article has to attributed to someone. See the policy at WP:WEASEL, which gives a little more insight into the topic. You also want to avoid original research, or researching his commercial and commercial performance and concluding that he obviously was the most popular Latin artist. Now, as one of the principal editors, you have some options to fix this:

• You could say he was "among the best-selling artists" which is an indisputable fact.
• You could say "X MAGAZINE said, 'Miguel was by far the most popular Latin artist around - a 28-year-old with 11 albums, four Grammys and 35 million records...'"
• You could say "he was generally considered the top Latin singer according to..." and then list three or four reputable, impartial sources (ie. not blogs or fansites) that have made that specific claim.
• You could remove the sentence altogether.

I think the first or second option might be your best bets, but any of those options would work.

As soon as you make a decision about that sentence, I am standing by ready to pass this article. Again, great work.

Also, I'm happy to do the peer review on the other list you mentioned.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 18:50, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@Esprit15d:  Done I went with option because, as you say, its an indisputable fact. I'll send a link to the PR on your talk page. Thanks again for the review! Erick (talk) 19:31, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Fantastic job! I'll pass the article.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 23:20, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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