Talk:Ambrosian Rite

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This article suffers from the usual problems of the articles imported from the Catholic Encyclopedia. It is also rather long (69K), and I would recommend splitting it. Really, most of the subheadings could become their own article (History of the Ambrosian Rite, Ambrosian Mass, Ambrosian liturgical year or something like that). The level of detail here (for instance, in the Mass) may belong somewhere but it seems to much for an article about the rite in general. Rigadoun (talk) 16:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes I agree entirely. I came here wanting to get a quick overview of the subject before copy-editing the very short section on the Ambrosian Rite in the article on Milan. But I am competely lost in the details. —Ian Spackman 06:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to split this Article dividing the use before the Second Vatican Council (no more in use but detailed by the Catholic Encyclopedia) from the present time use, as in the Roman rite we can find separate articles for Mass and Tridentine Mass. A ntv (talk) 22:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Moved some sections to Traditional Ambrosian Rite for clean upA ntv (talk) 17:40, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

New Lectionary et alia

It is not correct to say that the Ambrosian Lectionary has special readings for the Vigil Mass, such as the Roman Rite has for only a few. Apart the solemnities the readings are the same. The New Lectionary changes the proper order of the Vigil Mass in its introductory rites, removing the penitentiary rite, and adding the Ambrosian rite of light and a announce of the Resurrection like in the Easter Vigil. It is actually a modification of the Messal, and it has been published as an appendix of the New Lectionary. You can see a official video of the reform here [1]. A published official reference is

A new (restored) Liturgical Calendar has been published as appendix of the New Lectionary.

About the sacraments, in Ambrosian Rite the Holy Orders, Confirmation and Confession has always been equal to the Roman Rite (at least from the XVI century). Unction and Marriage have always had very few differences with the Roman Rite so we shall speak only of a slight different form of the Roman Rite. Baptism is now almost the same as Roman Rite (apart the immersion). This is the reason cause I deleted and the Roman rites for the other sacraments. A ntv (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I accept that I misinterpreted what is said in this article, reproduced on the website of the diocese of Milan, about the threefold division of the Lectionary: Sunday (three-year cycle), Saturday (Sunday vigil - getting beyond the idea of "pre-festive Mass"), and ferial (two-year cycle). The video is a very helpful addition to the information in the article. I have done my best to adjust the article to the information provided by A ntv, who, I take it, has direct knowledge of the Ambrosian Rite and can thus interpret better than I can the Internet sources available. Lima (talk) 11:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Spam and promotion

It appears to me as if the proposed edits to this article are merely promotional in nature and serve no encyclopedic purpose. If this is not so, then I invite the editor to make justification and the appropriate changes to his edits for their inclusion. Elizium23 (talk) 23:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Pope Nicholas II

The passage against the Ambrosian custom by Nicholas II is not really relevant for this article, because Nicholas II belonged to the Reform Papacy mainly concerned with reforms of church provinces in Southern Italy, not in Lombardia. What he meant with "Ambrosian" was the Old-Beneventan rite, it was obviously a habit to call it after Milan, since local customs were as ancient concerning history, but local cantors wished to lend them the authority and prestige of Bishop Ambrose of Milan. In fact Beneventan scripture and notation can be found all over the Adriatic coast, but not in manuscripts and antiphonaries of the Milanese rite. Platonykiss (talk) 11:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)