Talk:America's Got Talent season 13

Show

This program is heavily watched. There's an interest in developing the article. Bleucheeses (talk) 04:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

You're chasing people off, perhaps, Who. Not only that but you are saying this is not a forum. This IS A forum to discuss. I don't know how you remove someone's commentary because they employed humor. Keep in mind this could be someone who has never been on Wikipedia. I think you should learn more about the site and perhaps re-evaluate your treatment of new people. Bleucheeses (talk) 02:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Before you jump on me for this please read the TWO notices at the top of the page followed by WP:Talk Page Guidelines and WP:NOTAFORUM. Wikipedia talk pages are NOT a forum and talk pages are for discussions about improvements to the article. Not a discussion about the show itself. This show was the most watched show the day this season premiered and if we allowed everyone who had a personal thought about the show to post on this page there would be no room for any other discussions. It would be a lot better to set a precedent now or it is going to be a long summer. Thanks! :) TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:04, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

The person was commenting on what I posted, not on the show. Again, re-think how you operate on here. You are on the fringes if not out in limbo at times. Why you think this way is not clear or actually it can be very puzzling. Bleucheeses (talk) 02:09, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

The person commented on an act that appeared on the show it was in no way, shape, or form a response to an interest in developing an article that had already been created. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:13, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I am about done here. I can ask them, they were talking to me and saying nothing about the show. Bleucheeses (talk) 02:16, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Hypothetically if that was the case this would still not be the place for that. Wikipedia is not a social media website. At this point on an unrelated note you may want to go ahead and read all of what Wikipedia is not TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:20, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Wow, when are you wrong on anything? Give me a break, wow! Bring on the lonnnnnng summer ala "The Longest Ride", a movie.

You should not have taken the comment down. Bleucheeses (talk) 02:24, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Who, if you want to start a poll, go ahead... Bleucheeses (talk) 02:28, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

There was NO baby on the show, obviously the poster was not talking about what you thought. Bleucheeses (talk) 02:29, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Per how to use a talk page: Stay on topic: Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions focused on how to improve the article. Comments that are plainly irrelevant are subject to archival or removal. (redacted portions) which is exactly what I did. So I did absolutely nothing wrong by removing it. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:32, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bleucheeses: Allow me to attempt to work through this for you: "Baby" is referring to the young girl from this audition which can be seen here. "Put the guns down" is referring to lyrics from the audition which can also be seen at the same link. "The most amazing public announcement ever" (seeing as your comment was not a public announcement) is referring to the message this person was trying to get across by their audition which once again can be seen at the same link. Need me to explain anything further? TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:57, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Also I am able to see by edit history that you attempted to start a poll. Please note that polling is NOT a substitute for discussion TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:31, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I watched the show, I concede the op was not talking to me. Do you think it helps the talk page to have that contributor post on here? They are showing an interest in the topics and talk page. Bleucheeses (talk) 09:31, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bleucheeses: The comment is not focused to improving the talk page and is plainly irrelevant which subjects it to removal per the stay on topic portion of how to use a talk page. Talk pages are meant for discussions on the article and NOT meant for general discussion about the subject itself. Do you understand why I removed it now? TheDoctorWho (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Alright, still saying the user is new to the site and likely doesn't know the policies. I guess they aren't coming back on here. Bleucheeses (talk) 21:55, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bleucheeses: That's the purpose of edit summary's and a welcome/warning templates to inform them of the correct policies. Do you agree to it's removal now? TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:04, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Go ahead, I mean one small consensus. I don't anticipate that many more of these situations, enjoy it. Bleucheeses (talk) 22:08, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

You may be right. If the talk page goes a while without this issue again I'll comment out the not a forum template and it can be re-added if the issue arises. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:14, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Back to the Buzzer. Why are there objections to mentioning the only two Golden Buzzer contestants who won the show? Paul Zerdin also won and could be mentioned, however he got a Golden Buzzer during the Judge Cuts round not like the other two, Farmer and Vanderwaal. It is noteworthy that from the acts that got a Buzzer there are two winners. To leave it out or omit it is strange. Bleucheeses (talk) 12:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

The golden buzzer section must talk about the current season, not the past ones. The information about the winning golden buzzer acts is more appropriate in the show's article. -Hiwilms (talk) 12:48, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Where do you see that, hi w? You're pulling that from somewhere and it's murky. Bleucheeses (talk) 03:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

General trivia regarding the golden buzzer fits better on the America's Got Talent article, not on the season articles. You may want to check out how I and the other editors did Pilipinas Got Talent#Golden Buzzer, Pilipinas Got Talent (season 5), Pilipinas Got Talent (season 6), Asia's Got Talent#Golden Buzzer, Asia's Got Talent (season 1), and Asia's Got Talent (season 2). -Hiwilms (talk) 08:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

"Golden buzzer" back and forth

Bleucheeses, Your edits have been reverted by more than one person, and I suggest that you use this thread to DISCUSS your proposed changes to allow a consensus of all editors to develop. If you edit war again, it will be extremely disruptive of you, and I will not hesitate to file a report in the appropriate forum. It is over to you to explain why your changes are an improvement on the status quo. - SchroCat (talk) 09:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Using my powers of deduction you were drawn into this from some noticeboard. Clearly people on this site often don't care about improving articles. They would rather accumulate edits, stir up whoever, anything but what the site is designed for. You could have left my edit alone and started the thread here, you didn't. They could have started threads on here - they didn't want to and didn't see a need to do that. It's a little laughable, really. Having to debate the merits of the purpose or use of the special buzzer - no geniuses needed to see the correlation. Also the link to Cowell talking about the success of implementing said buzzer - again nothing really far out there either. Back to you, whoever you are. Bleucheeses (talk) 10:15, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

A consensus is impossible, go herd some cats to find more of a chance of that. Oh, I created this article. It's a joke how you guys treat people. Bleucheeses (talk) 10:17, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Pretty much the same edit summary I left removing something you posted a little earlier: "This is rather pointy and unnecessary. Please keep your comments to discussing edits and contents, not posting unconstructive slurs on other editors". You would do well to cast a glance over WP:NPA, with its excellent advice of "Comment on content, not on the contributor". A consensus is not impossible – it's the very basis of how WP works and develops (another boring page for you to read is WP:consensus – "Consensus refers to the primary way decisions are made on Wikipedia, and it is accepted as the best method to achieve our goals…", etc). Whether you created the article or not gives you no more say in it than anyone else, and you really can have no complaints about people re-editing anything you write: again, it's how we do things and how articles develop (a third quote from a policy page for you – this one from WP:OWN: "Once you have posted it to Wikipedia, you cannot stop anyone from editing text you have written. As each edit page clearly states: Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and redistributed—by anyone"). The final page I'll point you to is about edit warring, for which I see a few (now deleted) warnings on your talk page. It's best to stick to the guidelines at WP:BRD: if your Bold edit is Reverted, then Discuss the changes, don't just try and force them back in. This is all very boring stuff, I'm afraid, but if you breach these basic rules of behaviour, then your Wikilife with be stressful and full of conflict. – SchroCat (talk) 10:45, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The "Grace VanderWaal and Darci Lynne each received a golden buzzer and also came in first on AGT" sentence is unnecessary. The section is supposed to explain the use of the golden buzzer. -Hiwilms (talk) 10:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Hiwilms. That other winners received the golden buzzer adds little, and the cite to a college newspaper is weak. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:00, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the information about VanderWaal and Lynne should NOT be included primarily because this article is about the thirteenth season not the twelfth or the eleventh. TheDoctorWho (talk) 20:21, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

• Bleucheeses, One more rather boring but very important guideline for you to read is WP:Canvassing. Asking people to 'help you out' when things are going against you (as you have done here and here is rather frowned upon. I looked at the Michael Jackson article, by the way, and again you seem to be ignoring BRD and just edt warring again. I suspect your Wiki career will not be long lasting unless you learn some of the key rules. - SchroCat (talk) 20:55, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The new format for “Contestants who appeared on other seasons or shows”

Since the entire section is now in a chart instead of a bullet point list, should we change the other lists into charts as well? I think the articles will be more consistent that way. Thissecretperson (talk) 21:08, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I made the bold change this year because I was looking at last years article and it looked quite messy in that section. If anyone has any objection so this would be the place to make them. About changing the other articles I’d wait and see how it looks once the section grows and/or a consensus about the change is made here. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:03, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree to your point. The sentence type of that section looked somehow messy, just like what happened on seasons 1 and 2 of Asia's Got Talent. If the format will be changed, all articles must be changed, too. -Hiwilms (talk) 03:43, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Rowspans in ratings table

Does anyone else see anything wrong using rowspans in the ratings table where possible. Of course it's not possible if the box holds a reference but I believe where possible it simplifies the table and makes the table look neater. Any other thoughts? Pinging @Brianis19:. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:03, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Episode numbering

Please check America's Got Talent (season 12) for the episode numbering. Regular episodes are numbered continuously, while special episodes start at S1, and so on. -Hiwilms (talk) 03:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

It does NOT matter what AGT season 12 says it matters what the SOURCES say. The sources list it as episode 6 meaning the numbering is wrong it either ALL needs to be put back into one table OR it needs to be numbered correctly. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:51, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Also you should discuss BEFORE changing not change first and then discuss :) TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:53, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Pinging @Hiwilms: to above response TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:55, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2018

PLEASE REMOVE "The four guest judges are Ken Jeong, Olivia Munn, Chris Hardwick, who was also a guest judge in the previous season, and Martina McBride." AS ALL GUEST JUDGE EPISODES HAVE NOT AIRED YET SO THIS INFORMATION IS NOT CONFIRMED. ONLY KEN JEONG'S EPISODE HAS AIRED. FremantlePR (talk) 00:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Added a ref so it's sourced now. Can also be sourced through the episode promos. TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:34, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protect request

While I was editing week 4 of the Judge Cuts along with Toopadoop, tons of vandalism (especially by anonymous user IP 93.42.14.61) was made. However, since they are not the only anonymous user vandalizing the page, I think either a warn to the vandals or a semi-protect to the page should handle the situation for now. Thissecretperson (talk) 01:22, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Pinging @TheDoctorWho: to this response. Thissecretperson (talk) 01:27, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Thissecretperson: Put in a request at WP:RFPP. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:40, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, thank you! Thissecretperson (talk) 01:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2018

In the top 36 acts section, which is meant to be alphabetized, Flau'jae's name is out of place and should be moved between Duo Transcend and Hans. Furthermore, the acts whose names start with "the" should be alphabetized by the second word, not "the". 71.115.153.78 (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done I have changed the table JorWat (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

In top 36 Acts for Quarter Finals: Daniel Emmet (opera singer) posted on his Instagram that he is preforming as a wildcard for week 3 for the quarter finals. You don't have him listed but have the other wildcards listed.

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 August 2018

Please add in Darci Lynne Farmer as the guest for Quarter Final 1. Here are some sources: https://newsok.com/article/5604416/video-oklahoman-darci-lynne-farmer-returning-to-americas-got-talent-as-season-13-live-shows-begin-next-week https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/AMERICAS-GOT-TALENT-Reveals-the-36-Acts-Headed-to-the-Live-Shows-20180810 JorWat (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done Waddie96 (talk) 07:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

semifinals

in this wikia page it has 8 confirmed acts for week 2 along with the corresponding links showing it is confirmed

it is also confirmed Front Pictures is the wildcard for a second time, and is of right now LIKELY week 1

Aaron Crow and Brian King Joseph are almost certain in week 2 ( they were in QF 3 and were not announced as going to week 1 semifinals in the telecast ) and Glennis Grace is likely week 2 as Front Picture is likely last spot of week 1 but is not official YET.

https://agt.wikia.com/wiki/Season_13_Semifinals Verdad63 (talk) 01:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Wikia is not a reliable source. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:16, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

I am relying on the instagram of the acts and other reliable sources, not on wikia itself, which is why I say we can't officially put Crow, King Joseph, Glennis and Front Pictures ( except for them being the wildcard ), but all others are reliable sources ... the 8 who are confirmed week 2 and Front Pictures is wildcard of the semis Verdad63 (talk) 05:08, 1 September 2018 (UTC) Angel City Chorale https://www.instagram.com/p/BnFWNcMB4Fc/ Daniel Emmet and Christina Wells https://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/entertainment-columns/kats/daniel-emmet-is-a-dunkin-save-survivor-on-agt Courtney Hadwin https://www.instagram.com/p/BnCcrhhlfmM/ Da Republik https://twitter.com/DaRepubliK/status/1035356979747639296 Noah Guthrie https://www.instagram.com/p/BnHc3GzFP-z/ Vicki Barbolak https://www.instagram.com/p/BnFJY-RnjrK/ we three https://www.instagram.com/p/BnHU56fg4BG/

and Front Pictures being wildcard https://twitter.com/Front_Pictures/status/1035688758610411520 Verdad63 (talk) 05:20, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 September 2018

ORIGINAL: table cell under [Semifinals > Week 1 > (Act) Shin Lim > Performance Description]

Close-up Magician; starts the act by placing a card in his back pocket. He then asks Heidi to pick a card and sign it. He puts the signed card down and when he does that smoke begins to rise and the card vanishes. He opens his mouth, where smoke comes out as well, and Heidi's card appears. He places her card in a plastic bag and then asks Tyra to pick a card and sign it. Tyra's card jumps from Shin's hand to the card that started in his back pocket. Tyra's card then shows up in his mouth and finally replacing Heidi's card in the plastic bag. He ends it by putting both cards back in the box and making the box disappear.

CHANGE TO:

Close-up Magician; starts the act by placing a card in his back pocket. He has Heidi pick and sign a card, then vanishes it from the table to his mouth. He places Heidi's card in a plastic bag and has Tyra pick and sign a card. The deck vanishes/appears in the box, then swaps places with Tyra's card. Tyra's card then vanishes/appears in Shin's front pocket, swaps/unswaps places with the card in his back pocket, vanishes/appears in his mouth, and swaps/unswaps places with Heidi's card in the plastic bag. Finally, Shin vanishes Tyra's and Heidi's cards, and then the whole deck.

REASON: More accurate and concise summary. Source comes from the official released video of The Dream Act on the AGT Youtube channel. Jacy38 (talk) 18:39, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done Fish+Karate 13:41, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit has been undone without explanation by Bsems ([1]) Bsems, it is important to explain your edits using the edit summaries. Please would you explain why you undid the edit? Fish+Karate 07:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 September 2018

In the Finale section, please change the first names used in the descriptions to surnames. This is how it is done in other years, and elsewhere on the page. For example, replace "Bebe Rexha sang a duet with Glennis of her song "Meant to Be"." with "Bebe Rexha sang a duet with Grace of her song "Meant to Be"."

Also, the description of Shin Lim's act during the Finals is wrong. He did not use the piano to make cards disappear. Should be something like "Close-up Magician; played piano for a bit, and talked about how he used to play piano until carpal tunnel made him stop, then got Tyra to randomly select a card. He then made multiple copies of this card appear and disappear, and displayed the name of the card with floating playing cards". Here's a video of the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5J-nhz4og0

Also, in the Finale section, Brian King Joseph and Lindsey Stirling performed "Roundtable Rival" and "The Force of Nature" JorWat (talk) 23:38, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done @JorWat: Completed request also changed the first names to surnames of similar performances like Grace as well. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 04:16, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2019

Please add a hyperlink for Golden Buzzer winner Courtney Hadwin to her wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Hadwin Xanndra2 (talk) 05:42, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC)