Talk:America Chavez/Archive 1

Archive 1

Partners

I had put Hawkeye as a partner because Young Avengers has been done for a while. Since then Hawkeye has and will appear in America's book multiple times.(#1, #5). They had two of the mini-stories each issue in Civil War II: Choosing sides involving the two, one with just the two of them and one involving several other members of YA. Hawkeye has also appeared in Ultimates as a friend to America, and America has appeared in Hawkeyes solo book as well. I wouldn't say its a significant crime fighting partnership like Batman and Robin, but is that what that category is limited to? WikiVirusC (talk) 15:06, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

The template documentation at Template:Infobox comics character asks to "Please stick to notable partnerships". The problem is notable is a highly subjective term. A few appearances together outside of the Young Avengers may not be considered notable. Then again Chavez doesn't have a long history to begin with. You may wish to open this up to WP:COMICS for wider consensus.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Its how you define the notable part I guess, its obviously not notable in the grand scheme of comics, or notable in terms marvel comics. In terms of America Chavez, it is the most notable relationship she has had so far imo. Id agree a few small appearances outside YA like in Choosing Sides, Siege(alternate Kate) and Ultimates, wouldn't make it notable, but combining that with they both are appearing in each others solo series and seemingly will continue to do so, makes it notable enough I think for the characters.

It would be one thing if it was a character like Batman who has a long history with partners like Robin, Batgirl, Superman, ect, it wouldn't make sense to add every new person they work with, for example someone like Duke Thomas. But here there aren't more notable partner/relationships. Even with Kate Bishop it would just be Clint and America(if she were added back there too). I may ask for other input at WP:COMICS at a later date, but first I was going to see how the template was being used on other characters pages, so far a lot the ones I've check haven't been using the partners section, other than the more mainstream heroes. WikiVirusC (talk) 16:14, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Right, it might not normally be considered notable but because of her relatively short history it maybe considered notable now. However, what remains to be seen is how this plays out over time as her history grows. Is this what we consider to be "enduring notability"? Will it build into something like the iconic partnerships you mentioned above or will it be regulated to these few appearances?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

References

Several of the references to events cite articles talking about the character rather than the comic book issues where they took place. Why is this? Should there be a notice asking for better references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.111.169 (talk) 19:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Racial identity

This needs to be addressed, America is not a human and so she cant be any kind of latin hispanic american. she is a hybrid of two different female monogender species, one of which hapens to resemble hispanic humans 24.214.150.156 (talk) 03:57, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

This is covered by multiple reliable sources. Keep in mind this is a work of fiction where anything is possible.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 09:46, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

The actual comics make it completely clear that she's not from Latin America and has no Latin American heritage, though. So it's more of a question of semantics: Calling her "Latina" rather than "brown-skinned" is like calling Star Wars character Lando Calrissian "African-American" rather than "Black". Even in a work of fiction, a Latina with no Latin heritage is no more possible than a square triangle. Granted, Marvel has recently changed Chavez's origin, and now she actually does have Latin American heritage. The entire sci-fi origin mentioned above has been retconned away, and the article needs re-writing.Zeck (talk) 21:16, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Per what TriiipleThreat said, if there are additional reliable sources about her origins (which I would guess they are), they should be added. I don't think the article needs to be re-written, I think it needs to be expanded. Zeck, I don't know what you are saying, because you basically contradicted yourself, first saying saying she has "no Latin American heritage," but then said "Marvel has recently changed Chavez's origin, and now she actually does have Latin American heritage." Historyday01 (talk) 21:35, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I'll rephrase myself: Up until 2021, America Chavez's origin was that she was a super-powered space alien from another dimension called "The Utopian Parallel", but she looked like a Latina human, the way Superman is a Kryptonian but looks like a white human. She had no biological or adoptive Latin American parents; her two mothers also came from that alternate dimension. (This has created a bit of a problem with descriptions of her ethnicity. When news sources say she's Latina, they don't mean that she's actually from Latin America or has any actual Latin heritage. They simply mean "Brown-skinned person." You could compare it to the Star Wars character Rose Tico. People call her "Asian" to describe her ethnicity, but they don't mean that she comes from Asia; after all, Asia doesn't exist in the Star Wars galaxy. They're simply trying to describe her eyes and her skin color, and instead of callin her "Asian," it's more correct to say "a character played by an ethnically Asian person", to avoid falsely implying that Rose Tico the character comes from planet Earth.) However: All I've said up until now, all this convoluted backstory of Chavez's, was changed in 2021. Marvel decided that Chavez does come from Latin America all along, and that "other dimension" she's from was actually a secret lab on an island here on Earth. The entire "other dimension" story was a made-up falsehood. And that's the problem with the article section about her origin: It still says that Chavez comes from the Utopian Parallel, even though Marvel recently revealed that the Utopian Parallel doesn't exist and Chavez actually comes from Earth. We need to rewrite the "Fictional Character Biography" part, to make this clear. We need to make it clear that America's an Earth human who falsely thought herself to come from another dimension.Zeck (talk) 23:39, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree, the biography should be improved. I don't have much time to work on the article myself, but if you wish to expand/change it, go ahead. Historyday01 (talk) 18:46, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I've revised the main section and infobox to reflect her new origin. I would not be surprised if further changes are needed as Marvel continues with this retconning.--Mike Selinker (talk) 00:37, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

A couple of obviously wrong blogs are not reliable sources. 2601:154:C480:D650:3CD3:45C5:8B17:B1C8 (talk) 02:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)