Talk:American Security Council Foundation

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Hi. I hope this is the rght place to comment. This organization is local to me. A full page ad for it appeared on the back of our free local paper. The Chairman has been sheriff of our county for years. I came to Wikipedia to find out a more nuanced history/view than appeared on the group's own website, but you pretty much have the same information. This is just a PR blurb of no real help whatsoever. Please I hope that someone with a head for unraveling political nonsense and spin will take another look at this and write an article that more accurately describes this group's biases and limitations! Thank you very much. Elizabeth A. Triano lizziewriter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.125.225 (talk) 02:51, 30 March 2014‎ _________

You are correct that this article is a whitewash of the American Security Council's history. Its web presence, once quite extensive, has been scrubbed.

It originated in the 1950's as the organizer of an annual trade show called the Military Industrial Conference. It was a leading advocate of the war in Viet Nam with frequent "public service" spots on radio and television. Its board consisted of Congressional hawks from both of the main United States political parties and high-ranking military officers.

From an estate donated by Margaret Merriwther Post in Culpeper, Virginia it conducted operations -- details undisclosed -- for the Central Intelligence Agency.

Its founder, John Fisher, was the Chief of Security for Sears, Roebuck, and Company.

It also pioneered the use of direct marketing for political purposes.

American Security Council Foundation did not encompass the American Security Council so redirecting to an article of that title will pidgeon hole research in a subset of the activities undertaken by the American Security Council.

This I recall from its website of 2004 or thereabouts.Macdust (talk) 16:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

It is true that we do not want the article to reflect only what the organization says about itself. It is also true that we do not want the article to reflect fringe views or original research that synthesizes material from unreliable sources and primary sources, or even reliable secondary sources that do not explicitly discuss the subject... and the page's edit history indicates that is what we had here previously.

Regarding the American Security Council, the ASC merged with the ASCF in 1997 so the redirect should point here. Merge and redirects like this appear to be common practice in Wikipedia where there is not enough material for a legitimate content fork. Location (talk) 22:18, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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This article continues to be a conduit for disinformation about an institute with strong ties to the U.S. intelligence community, a long history of interference with the operations of broadcast news (the standard of "fair and balanced" was its invention at the time when news from Viet Nam did not validate the official story), and the originator of the Military-Indutrial Conference in the Eisenhower administration.Macdust (talk) 07:49, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Ikr. ASCF is whitewashing their Wiki page. They are behaving like a bunch of crybabies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.42.58 (talk) 04:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Anyway, the group has a strong, pro-western and democratic orientation, as its current support for Ukraine shows. There are those who do not like this, of course, but (in the US anyway) these are fortunately few in number. Some citations on how opposing the Soviets then and Putin now constitutes ‘interference’ would be useful. As they would to support the idea that they invented ‘fair and balanced’.174.194.138.59 (talk) 05:03, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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