Talk:American Society of Brewing Chemists

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Notability

@Jacobolus: You cited Google search engines to contest my PROD. However, most of the results mention the organization as a source or reference, not as the organization itself. Unsure whether this source helps. It discusses ASBC's way of conducting research, but does it count? I'm pretty sure this other source doesn't: it mentions the organization but doesn't significantly cover the organization itself. George Ho (talk) 18:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

It is trivially easy to find hundreds of sources mentioning / discussing the ASBC. It is a 90 year old professional organization with a regularly published journal. PROD is entirely inappropriate here. As with any stub, this article is not very complete. Feel free to do some research and add more sources. (I would have added some sources, but in my 2-minute literature skim I didn't find a clear summary of the ASBC's history or current activities in an independent source – I found some discussion of their history in their own journal, which might be useful to add but aren't going to satisfy pedantic wiki-notability-lawyers, and some summaries of what they had been up to 80 years ago in other publications, which frankly aren't that useful to readers. If you hunt around I'm sure you can find better sources than these.) –jacobolus (t) 18:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Why not do it yourself? Being a 90-year-old organization with a frequently cited journal isn't a sufficient reason for notability but rather its own existence. George Ho (talk) 18:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I have other things to do to day and am not particularly interested. If you care about this though, please go for it.

The main professional organization in any subfield, with a large number of professional members, with a long-running academic conference and a widely cited decades-old journal, whose officers are noted experts in the field, and whose printed technical publications are part of the basic literature, etc. are always notable, without fail.

Here's a book that has some discussion of the ASBC (though Google books only gives snippet previews so it's not the easiest to read) https://books.google.com/books?id=ceXqEAAAQBAJ

Other independent books you can try that at least mention the ASBC a few times, unfortunately mostly only readable in snippet view (or go to your local library and find any book about the science of beer brewing):

• https://books.google.com/books?id=52OdBgAAQBAJ
• https://books.google.com/books?id=0nO9CgAAQBAJ
• https://books.google.com/books?id=PKyfDwAAQBAJ
• https://books.google.com/books?id=2UqCFxskEnMC
• https://books.google.com/books?id=d-IZEAAAQBAJ
• https://books.google.com/books?id=-Lo6DwAAQBAJ
• https://books.google.com/books?id=w-8sCQAAQBAJ
• https://books.google.com/books?id=0os_gIvG_ccC
• https://books.google.com/books?id=fctJLwKUzX4C

–jacobolus (t) 18:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewing the sources you provided, this guy won the ASBC Eric Keen Memorial Award. One of pages says he joined the ASBC, so he may be involved. Unwilling to use this book, despite his high academic(?) credentials and expertise.

The alt book #1 mentions at page 132 ASBC adopting AOAC International (Association of Official Analytical Chemists) tables. I'm torn about this book saying that ASBC owes more to influences of European Brewery Convention and that ASBC's method is intended for North American breweries.

This book mentions one person being a member of ASBC, probably an author, a writer, or an editor of this book.

Ones I think mentioned the organization but doesn't provide enough depth about it itself, despite using data and methods conducted by ASBC: alt book #2, #3,#5, #7, #8.

This source is an encyclopedia, a tertiary source, and shouldn't be used. George Ho (talk) 21:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)