Talk:American steamship General Lyon (1864)
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Ceyockey in topic Requested move 21 April 2021
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Requested move 21 April 2021
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved to American steamship ''General Lyon'' (1864). The consensus was forming around ''General Lyon'' (steam*, 1864), using either steamboat or steamship. However, as pointed out a) this was oceangoing (suggesting 'ship' should be used) and b) the title should abide by Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Ships from navies without ship prefixes. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:11, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
General Lyon (steamboat) → General Lyon (transport) – USS General Lyon (1860) was also a steamboat, and I don't see how this can claim primary topic. Hog Farm Talk 04:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:29, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as nominated. The other one was also a transport. General Lyon (screw steamer) would probably be the best option. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:39, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Move to SS General Lyon (1864) per WP:NCS. 162 etc. (talk) 16:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- I would agree except a) there's no indication it was ever referred to as SS (see WP:PREFIXSHIP), and b) it was chartered in 1864, but the article does not say it was actually launched in 1864 (see WP:SHIPDAB). -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- To your second point, see here; construction began in late 1863, with the agreement already in place that the Army would charter it upon launch (which happened in March 1864.) 162 etc. (talk) 20:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- In that case, I would support General Lyon (steamship, 1864). Still no indication it ever used the SS prefix. And it was a sea-going ship rather than a riverboat. The title of the other one is fine. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- If we leave out "SS" (which, after researching this a bit, seems like a good idea) we need to follow WP:NCS standard for ships without ship prefixes. In this case, American steamship General Lyon (1864). 162 etc. (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- In that case, I would support General Lyon (steamship, 1864). Still no indication it ever used the SS prefix. And it was a sea-going ship rather than a riverboat. The title of the other one is fine. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- To your second point, see here; construction began in late 1863, with the agreement already in place that the Army would charter it upon launch (which happened in March 1864.) 162 etc. (talk) 20:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Some move, but not (transport) In ictu oculi (talk) 23:02, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose General Lyon (steamboat) → General Lyon (transport) per Necrothesp and In ictu oculi, but would support General Lyon (steamboat) → SS General Lyon (1864) per 162 etc. or, if consensus cannot coalesce around the use of "SS", would then support General Lyon (steamboat) → General Lyon (steamboat, 1864) and would additionally support an analogous move of the main title header for the other steamboat USS General Lyon (1860) → USS General Lyon (steamboat, 1860). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- See WP:NCS for the convention regarding these article titles, your suggestions are nonstandard. 162 etc. (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Move to General Lyon (steamship, 1864) per Necrothesp and Roman Spinner. This sums up succinctly what this is, without invoking a made-up title such as "SS" or "American steamship". — Amakuru (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.