Talk:Amir Bramly
| This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
 | This article was nominated for deletion on 11 March 2017. The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. |
Notability / Notoriety
editAmir Bramly is to date the largest alleged Ponzi scheme in Israel - more than 100 million USD. He has received alot of media coverage and has impacted many-many investors - including American-Israelis and also some funds from the USA via Kela Fund USA (though most of the activity was local Israeli) [1].Icewhiz (talk) 06:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Criminal proceedings - if fit here
editRegarding the charges - he him self hasn't been convicted criminally - the case is ongoing. However, in civil court the companies were placed in final liquidation and -his own personal assets- are also under liquidation. In addition, a worker in his fund was recently convicted and sentenced in the same criminal case as she placed a guilty plea-bargain plea (and is acting as a prosecution witness) ([2]). In this regard this case is much-much farther along than where Madoff was in January 2009 for instance - [3]. The fund / rubicon company / and Bramli himself - were all found in civil court to have their assets "tangled". Bramli was the public face of the companies. In terms of significance of the article - the main encyclopedic significance is the alleged Ponzi scheme. His activities as business man are marginal. I won't get into an editing war over this - will bow to your better judgement - my track record in the English Wkipedia is very brief - if this should wait for an absolutely final criminal conviction (civil case status + advanced criminal proceedings not enough) - will wait until this is handed down. Icewhiz (talk) 11:40, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
- Please see my comment at the AfD discussion [4]. Jbh Talk 12:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
- It may be possible to discuss the civil material but it would be necessary to avoid implications of criminal activity. Even then it is likely that WP:BLP1E would be an issue. Jbh Talk 12:10, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
- He'd pass WP:BLP1E - he was very-very high profile in the Israeli press prior to his fall. To the point where he had an article a week (full/half page) in the 4 financial newspapers, and the occasional TV-spot as well - during 2011-2015. I personally wouldn't have written this up without the ponzi allegation - but he isn't a single event. For instance - [5] a news search on him for 2009-2014 (prior to all fraud/liqudity issues) has 313 news items - the whole operation was built on a very high-profile PR machine and links to local celebrities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icewhiz (talk • contribs) 13:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
- I seem to keep seeing the AfD first and answering there
. Anyway, please see [6]. Jbh Talk 13:56, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
- Call me an optimist - but I write here on the assumption the article will survive Afd - and if not, will be revisited in a few months.
- Call me an optimist - but I write here on the assumption the article will survive Afd
- I seem to keep seeing the AfD first and answering there
- He'd pass WP:BLP1E - he was very-very high profile in the Israeli press prior to his fall. To the point where he had an article a week (full/half page) in the 4 financial newspapers, and the occasional TV-spot as well - during 2011-2015. I personally wouldn't have written this up without the ponzi allegation - but he isn't a single event. For instance - [5] a news search on him for 2009-2014 (prior to all fraud/liqudity issues) has 313 news items - the whole operation was built on a very high-profile PR machine and links to local celebrities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icewhiz (talk • contribs) 13:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
