Talk:Amos (guitar)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 19:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Amos is a 1958 Gibson Flying V guitar? Source: The growing legend of the 1958 Gibson Flying V guitar dubbed "Amos" is a mash up of fairy-tale story lines
  • ALT1: ... that a rare 1958 Gibson Flying V guitar named Amos appeared in the 1984 movie This Is Spinal Tap? Source: IndyStar source
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Parker Coffin Bridge

Created by Lightburst (talk). Self-nominated at 21:32, 24 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Amos (guitar); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

•  Doing... — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:52, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Per WP:ALBUMS/SOURCES, Reverb is unreliable because it fails WP:USERGENERATED. Additionally, the link to Premier Guitar is a press release that is cited as news (it should be using the {{Cite press release}} template in the citation style you've chosen). Also, to what extent is Guitar.com an RS (I currently can't find discussion of it on-wiki, and I'm unsure looking at it myself)? I'm AGFing on the two print sources, which I cannot access.
• Neutral: - The link to Premier Guitar is a press release, and it doesn't seem like other sources are covering the fact that the particular company who paid for the press release made a copy of Amos. Why is this WP:DUE? This wouldn't block a DYK, but I'm noting it just for posterity sake since changes have to be made to the article anyway.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - ALT0 is well-cited, but it is not broadly interesting. ALT1 is cited to Reverb, which appears to be WP:USERG, but that hook is interesting. Is there another source for that hook?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: There are a few sourcing issues that have to be addressed before this can move onto DYK. Unfortunately, the broadly interesting hook (Alt1) is currently sourced to one of the more sources that is marked as unreliable on WP:ALBUMS/SOURCES due to content being WP:USERG.

Separately from the above, I am somewhat concerned regarding the notability of the guitar itself (though not enough to send it to AfD myself). The article subject appears to be a single, specific guitar—one of 98 guitars manufactured in its class with the same model year. I'm doubtful that Gibson electrics : the classic years : an illustrated history from the mid-'30s to the mid-'60s or The Official Vintage Guitar Magazine Price Guide 2023 offer significant coverage of the very specific guitar named Amos (@Lightburst: please correct me if I am wrong here). Reverb (linked in a comment above) is undoubtedly SIGCOV, but WikiProject Albums treats it as unreliable, and I tend to agree that the content looks user-generated without editorial oversight. The Indianapolis Star (story currently cited in article, story not currently cited in article) is an independent WP:NEWSORG that has provided WP:SIGCOV, but as far as my searches can tell, it's the only mainstream one. Industry-specific publication Guitar.com also provides SIGCOV in this piece, but I'm unsure as to its reliability (it isn't on WP:ALBUMS/SOURCES, WP:NPPSOURCES, nor WP:RSP, and the holding company seems to be a mixed bag of very good sources for the music industry and essentially self-published sources). This isn't a blocker to DYK being passed (DYK does not require me to verify that the article is notable), and all that's required to pass GNG is multiple (i.e. 2) independent reliable sources that provide SIGCOV, but I would be prepared for the chance that someone may try to AfD this when it on the main page; citing additional RS that provide SIGCOV in the article might be helpful to avoid this possible event. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 22:21, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Red-tailed hawk: Thank you for the comprehensive review of what could be a quirky hook for the cult of Spinal Tap.I am going to number your concerns so that I can keep them organized.

1. Neutrality - concerns about Premier Guitar. Page 84 of The Official Vintage Guitar Price Guide shows that this guitar was actually produced by Epiphone. The text there reads "Limited edition - modeled from his (Joe Bonamassa's) first 58 Korina Flying V nicknamed "Amos" so I have added that reference to the sentence in the article. I also appreciate the press release template, I used it.
2. Reverb - WP:USERGENERATED concerns. I have replaced the reference and the three citations in the article. It was a robust accounting of this guitar's history but it is gone now
3. Guitar.com - regarding reliability This is an interview with the new owner and it includes pictures and a description of Amos - it appears to be reliable and I thinl we have no evidence to the contrary
4. ALT1 - is there another source for the hook? There is. I replaced the Reverb Source with the IndyStar source since it is the most reliable. There is also a book about the movie which states that Norman Harris leant a dozen items for the production company.
5. AFD: Someone may AfD this article. There is nothing I can do about this so if it is sent to AfD the nomination will be put on hold at that time. Of course I think it would be kept Thanks!

Lightburst (talk) 00:23, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. All of the above issues are resolved. That being said, I took another look through, and I noticed that the page uses File:Amos a 1958 Gibson Flying V.jpg. Why is this file irreplaceable? I have a feeling that one could simply create a photo of the guitar by seeing the guitar and snapping a photo of it, and the guitar itself doesn't appear to the the subject of copyright protections. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:56, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Red-tailed hawk: Fair enough, I erased the image from the article and asked for a G7 on the image. Lightburst (talk) 03:13, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

We're good to go in that case. AGF that the offline sources support the text in the article, since I don't have a copy myself. This is ready for promotion, — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 03:20, 26 February 2023 (UTC)