Talk:Amphilochian Argos

Argives, Amphilochians, Ambraciots

Wareh, your current edit is fine; I was just rephrasing it so it didn't seem that what Thucydides said about the Amphilochians and Ambraciots colonising it was all part of the foundation myth, which seemed inaccurate. I tried to make it clear that the Amphilochians were non-Greeks according to Thucydides by calling them the "native" Amphilochians, but your current edit is clearer. Dionysodorus (talk) 19:22, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Fine, and I think the confusion resulted from my following Thucydides, who completely fails to mention the stage where "the Argives were driven out by the native Amphilochians of the surrounding region," thus collapsing the "Argive" and "Amphilochian" stages of the city's history. As a result I concede that my original text was likewise misleading. If you have a primary or secondary source for the (logically very attractive) fact that the non-Greek-speaking Amphilochians moved in at some point soon or long after Amphilochus' foundation, please add a reference to it! Cheers, Wareh (talk) 20:00, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually I misremembered Thucydides and put them back to front. oops. I might look in Apollodorus tomorrow though. Dionysodorus (talk) 22:10, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Although then again it does make quite a lot of sense to have an intermediate Amphilochian stage, but in the meantime I'll remove the offending sentence and do it properly some other time. I think the main issue is that Amphilochus probably shouldn't be presumed to have had a serious colonial expedition with him. Dionysodorus (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

"... on the river Inachus."

The statement that Amphilochian Argos was located on the river Inachus links to the article on the mythological Inachus. That article, in turn, links to an article on an Inachos River, but it is a different river, in Argolis. This can be quite confusing. It appears there is no article on "our" Inachus (or Inachos, as I believe it probably should be), but it is mentioned in the Inachus disambiguation page, as an Inachos River (no article) flowing into the Achelous River. And since the Achelous is described as having formed the border between Acarnania and Aetolia, that is, right where Amfilochia sits, this appears to be the right Inachos. Presumably, it is ALSO named after the mythological Inachus, and so the link to that Inachus is a reasonable start, but I am only guessing. Anyway, I am not sure of the best way to sort this out. I may come back after some thought. Taquito1 (talk) 17:13, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Google Maps has an Amphilochian Argos as a tiny hamlet in the location William Martin Leake identifies as Argos, east of the Ambracian Gulf. There seems to be a TINY dry creek running through this hamlet, and maybe it is the "river Inachus", but it hardly looks worthy of even a name. Certainly it is not what we would consider a landmark. Then again, this hamlet does not appear worthy of an article in Wikipedia, yet we hear it was the chief town of Ancient Amphilochia ... appearances can be deceiving. Of course, it is possible that this hamlet adopted the name, notwithstanding the actual location of the original Amphilochian Argos remains uncertain. Taquito1 (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)