Talk:Amphitheatrum Johnsonianum

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 01:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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Amphitheatrum Johnsonianum

• ... that Amphitheatrum Johnsonianum has been called Thomas Nast's most important work of 1867? Source: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044009987629&view=1up&seq=162 Bigelow, page 114
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pigache

Created by Jengod (talk). Self-nominated at 23:36, 30 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Amphitheatrum Johnsonianum; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Comment: A more interesting hook might be ... that Amphitheatrum Johnsonianum depicts Andrew Johnson as the Roman emperor Nero, watching the slaughter of martyrs in a Roman arena? Acroterion (talk) 01:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
• Further comment: The arena in question isn't specifically the Colosseum, it might need to be reworded in the lede to be less precise. Acroterion (talk) 01:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Jengod:Impressively-researched article, but the hook is a little flat. I've suggested something that more directly addresses the content. AGF on paraphrasing and copyright, given the extensive referencing and size of the article. Acroterion (talk) 02:14, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

• I think the alt is great. Thanks for the suggestion. I changed Coliseum in the lede to arena; I was thinking of asking WikiProject Greek and Roman people to review but I wasn't sure if it was like asking if a Looney Toon was historically accurate LOL. jengod (talk) 02:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

  Well, I'm an architect, so it's in my field of competence! If you don't mind, I'll, finish up tomororow, I'm about to sign off. Acroterion (talk) 03:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

  • ALT1 ... that Amphitheatrum Johnsonianum depicts Andrew Johnson as the Roman emperor Nero, watching the slaughter of martyrs in a Roman arena?

    I think we agree on the ALT 1 hook. Good to go. Acroterion (talk) 00:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@jengod and Acroterion: Unfortunately, reviewers can't approve the hooks they propose, and it looks like this one falls afoul of WP:DYKFICTION. Could another hook be found? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Clearly I’ve been away from DYK for too long. I guess I’ll need to withdraw my approval, and if I suggest another hook, to recuse. Acroterion (talk) 04:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Sure thing. Here are three options; let me know if you want others or need citation elaboration theleekycauldron; I think I like alt4 best, then alt2 and alt3, but whatever works for you guys is fine w me :

• ALT2 ... that Amphitheatrum Johnsonianum could be read as "as an invitation to do regicide"?
  • source: https://books.google.com/books?id=NESibcqnsPgC&pg=PA190#v=onepage&q&f=false Summers, Mark Wahlgren (2012). A Dangerous Stir: Fear, Paranoia, and the Making of Reconstruction. p. 190.

• ALT3 ... that Charles Sumner praised a cartoon on the floor of the U.S. Senate?
  • source: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/50160/pg50160-images.html.utf8 Sumner, Charles (1900). Charles Sumner: His Complete Works. Vol. 14. Boston: Lee and Shepard. pp. 350–351.

• ALT4 ... that Andrew Johnson, a self-proclaimed plebeian, is crowned emperor in Thomas Nast's Amphitheatrum Johnsonianum?
  • source: Browne, Stephen Howard (2008). "Andrew Johnson and the Politics of Character". In Medhurst, Martin J. (ed.). Before the Rhetorical Presidency. Presidential Rhetoric Series (No. 19). College Station: Texas A&M University Press. pp. 194–212. for transcript of inaugural address, I can get other cites for plebeian if need be

jengod (talk) 04:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

• @jengod: I like ALT2, but it'll need some inline attribution. Could also stamp ALT3; ALT4 does also fall afoul of WP:DYKFICTION. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
  • theleekycauldron by in-line attribution do you mean:
  • Alt2b: ... according to historian Mark Summers, Amphitheatrum Johnsonianum could be read as "as an invitation to do regicide"?

  ??? jengod (talk) 05:02, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

  • Yep, ALT2b works for me! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:03, 18 August 2023 (UTC)