Talk:Amsterdam/Archive 3

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Housing

I note with sadness the impossibility of providing what is really extremely important information about the condition of the housing market in Amsterdam. There *is* a section on housing and it is almost empty. On a couple of occasions I have written up something on the state of affairs here; the heavily distorted rental market, the property prices bubble, the difficulty of finding places to live. It is inevitably removed. I note the most recent comment regarding removal - something along the lines of 'Amsterdam cannot levy income tax and loans have no place in this article'. The impression I am left with is a desire to remove negative information from the article. Certainly, the article by *having* a housing section which totally fails to describe profound issues is acting to mislead; equally certainly, having an article about Amsterdam which mentions *nothing* about the housing situation is a farce. Toby Douglass (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2010.

I agree. Housing is a prime responsibility of the city government. Housing is regulated in the Netherlands. While the housing market in the Netherlands in general is a problem, there is a problem in particular in the cities of Amsterdam and Utrecht. Incidentally, real estate tax (onroerende zaak belasting) is one of the most important municipal taxes. Rbakels (talk) 09:18, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Mayor

The information about the mayor should be updated, now that Job Cohen has resigned. Parafernalia (talk) 19:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Job Cohen has resigned on 12 March 2010, Lodewijk Ascher was interim mayor untill Eberhard van der Laan was sworn in on 7 July 2010. All three of them are members of the PvdA party. Dqfn13 (talk) 11:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Update probably required re: Stedelijk Museum

The article states "Next to the Van Gogh museum stands the Stedelijk Museum. This is Amsterdam's largest museum concerning modern art [...] This museum is also currently being renovated and expanded. The main entrance will be relocated from the Paulus Potterstraat to the Museum Square itself. It will be open again to public in 2009.[102]"

Can anyone update this? I checked the museum's website but it is in Dutch and Google translate failed for some reason. Perhaps the expansion is complete now and the museum is now open again? --bodnotbod (talk) 13:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

It's not complete. However, the museum is currently open for a temporary exhibition called "the temporary stedelijk at the stedelijk museum" until January 9, 2011, when it will close again until completion of the expansion. Gestumblindi (talk) 00:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Outdated information

Hi,

I was skimming the economics section of the page where it said that Amsterdam was designated to be the fifth most attractive city in Europe to locate an international business. This was based on C&W 2007 European City Monitor. I had just read the 2009 European City Monitor and it demoted Amsterdam to the eight place, after London, Paris, Frankfurt, Barcelona, Brussels, Madrid and Munich. The 2008 European City Monitor already placed Amsterdam on the sixth place, by the way. If someone wants to correct this, a summary of the 2009 European City Monitor can be found at: www.europeancitiesmonitor.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/ECM_2009_Final.pdf

I have never edited a wikipedia talk page, or a wikipedia page altogether for that matter,before so you have my sincerest apologies if I did something wrong. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.83.58.34 (talk) 00:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Number of inhabitants

The number of inhabitants is only about 760.000, see Dutch page. That is is the number of people registered in the administrative unit of the city of Amsterdam. In a densely populated country such as The Netherlands, other city boundaries are always somewhat arbitrary. For instance, suburb Amstelveen technically is a municipality in its own right, not subordinate to Amsterdam. Rbakels (talk) 09:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Being Dutch (I call Alkmaar my hometown) I know for sure Amsterdam has not more then 800,000 inhabitants. So maybe the numbers should indeed be corrected. Dqfn13 (talk) 11:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

This needs to be amended but considering the way the Dutch Randstad is built (basically a large, eight-million urban conglomeration) putting a population figure on a part of it (as Amsterdam is) is virtually meaningless. The correct figure for the administrative city hovers around 750,000. --Ilja.nieuwland (talk) 22:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Boroughs

Since 1 May 2010 Amsterdam is no longer devided in 15 boroughs but in just only 8 (7 with their own council and Westerpoort is governt directly by the municipality). The new boroughs are:

• Centrum (Binnenstad, Grachtengordel with Jordaan, Plantage, Westelijke Eilanden and Oostelijke Eilanden)
• Noord (Tuindorp Oostzaan, Kadoelen, Oostzanerwerf, Buiksloot, Buikslotermeer, Nieuwendam and Landelijk Noord, with the villages of Schellingwoude, Durgerdam, Zunderdorp, Ransdorp, Holysloot)
• West (Spaarndammerbuurt, Staatsliedenbuurt, Frederik Hendrikbuurt, Kinkerbuurt and surroundings of Overtoom, resp. De Clercqstraat, Admiralenbuurt, surroundings Hoofdweg, Mercatorplein and Surinameplein, Landlust, Bos en Lommer, Kolenkitbuurt and village of Sloterdijk)
• Nieuw-West (Slotermeer, Geuzenveld, De Eendracht, Tuinstad Slotervaart, Overtoomse Veld, Nieuw Sloten, Tuinstad Osdorp, De Aker, dorpen Sloten and Oud Osdorp)
• Zuid (De Pijp, Museumkwartier, Duivelseiland, Willemspark, Apollobuurt, Stadionbuurt, Schinkelbuurt, Hoofddorppleinbuurt, Rivierenbuurt, Buitenveldert, Prinses Irenebuurt, Zuidas)
• Oost (surroundings Weesperzijde, Oosterparkbuurt, Dapperbuurt, Transvaalbuurt, Watergraafsmeer, Indische Buurt, Oostelijk Havengebied, Zeeburgereiland, IJburg)
• Zuidoost (Venserpolder, Bijlmer, Gaasperdam, Bullewijk, the village of Driemond)
• Westpoort (Westelijk Havengebied, Bedrijvengebied Sloterdijk, Teleport)

You can chech the site of the municipality of Amsterdam showing the boroughs here Dqfn13 (talk) 12:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Amsterdam - Capital?

Apologies if this discussion has already been had, but as far as I'm aware Amsterdam isn't the capital city. The Hague is actually the seat of government in the Netherlands and is therefore seen as the capital, despite Amsterdam being the most famous city and the country's main cultural centre.

Again, double check this, but I this this might be a genuine point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AngerOfTheNorth (talk • contribs) 18:52, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Again, I'm Dutch I know the truth about this myth of Amsterdam not being the capital... it is the capital!!! Emperor Napoleon or his brother king Napoleon made Amsterdam capital of the kindom of The Netherlands. It is capital since 1808. The Hague is indeed seat of government and nothing more then that. The queen is sworn in in Amsterdam (Nieuwe Kerk to be more precise. Info about this can be found here and [here] and it's stated at wikipedia too! So please, I beg you, stop thinking Amsterdam isn't the capital, please?

There are other countries with the comparible situation, Australia, South Africa and many others, just have a look at a nother wikipedia page about capital cities. Yours troughly, Dqfn13 (talk) 08:53, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Amsterdam IS the de jure capital of the Netherlands; however, apart from a few official occasions (most notably royal weddings, swearing in ceremonies etc.) no official government business takes place in the city (by the way, royal funerals take place in Delft, not Amsterdam). To all intents and purposes, The Hague is the Dutch de facto capital and the seat of government, all ministries, the queen's working and living quarters and all international delegations and organisations. --Ilja.nieuwland (talk) 22:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thats all true, however, Amsterdam has HQs form several mayor international companies, is part owner of Amsterdam Airport Schiphol and is by constitution the capital of the country. There are some consulates in Amsterdam as well... although most consulates and embassies are in The Hague. And don't forget, Amsterdam became capital under king Napoleons reign. Dqfn13 (talk) 12:39, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Amsterdam is NOT the capital for exactly the same reason that New York City is NOT the capital. The Americans copied the Dutch when they made Washington D.C. a separate capital from the seat of trade (which at that time was NYC). I believe it was an idea of Hamilton to make the capital in NYC and he was turned down on the basis of the Dutch experience, which (tried to) separate not only church & state, but also trade & state. Jane (talk) 10:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Amsterdam is the capital, The Hague is the residence (residentie)... See the constitution (Artikel 32) for an official statement regarding this. -- Buzz-tardis (talk) 11:12, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Interesting! Artikel 32 just talks about swearing in the king in "hoofdstad" Amsterdam. Though artikel 32 doesn't mention Amsterdam as being the hoofdstad of the Netherlands, I guess you're right. Of course Haarlem is the "hoofdstad" of North Holland, and The Hague is the "hoofdstad" of South Holland, so I suppose just based on size alone Amsterdam had to be the "hoofdstad" of something! It does seem strange that the government isn't there though. Jane (talk) 11:23, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Why is that strange? The are more countries in which capital und government seat are NOT in the same city. For Example Malaysia, Bolivia, South Africa an in much african countries. --217.9.102.3 (talk) 08:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

The core problem is how one handles concepts. For most people, the concept "capital" by definition denotes the city where the government resides. In contrast, no Dutchman will ever say that The Hague is the capital of The Netherlands, not even people who are proud to be born there, like myself. Rbakels (talk) 13:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Wiki takes Amsterdam in September?

Amsterdam has 7000 rijksmonuments and only some of them are on the English Wikipedia. Please see the notice about this photo scavenger hunt scheduled for September 2011. Jane (talk) 10:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Translation of the word 'Heren'

To quote from the section Cityscape and architecture/Canals: "Herengracht (where "Heren" refers to Heren Regeerders van de stad Amsterdam (ruling lords of Amsterdam)" I'm not sure 'lords' is the correct translation of 'Heren' in this context. The country was a republic at the time. Few, if any of the Heren held a hereditary title. In fact, most worked for a living, and made their fortune in trade. I propose replacing the word 'lords' with 'gentlemen' --Mzzl (talk) 18:28, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the wiktionary-entry for lord, I don't think it does have to have anything to do with hereditary titles. The meaning (of "Heren", in this context) is along the lines of defs 2, 3 or 5: "master", "authority", "owner" or "ruler". Sirs or masters would imo be almost as good a translation of "Heren" as lords. Most importantly, these people were powerful and rich, which is not directly implied by gentlemen... That term does sound (to me) of breeding and manners, not necessarily of power. But if you think it would translate better that way, by all means, go ahead. -- Buzz-tardis (talk) 06:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I think Heer would be propperly translated as Sir. Some of them had old money (in that case lord would imply), some made money by trade.
Most well known family is the Six family from current North of France. They were very powerfull, had many rulers of severall sorts (mayors, multiple indeed) and still have some power left.
The Dutch East India Company was ruled by the Heren XVII, so in their case ruler would imply. Dutch can't always be translated as easily as you think, so be carefull with what you do. Dqfn13 (talk) 19:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

My point is that in modern English the word 'Lord' implies a feudal title, while the word 'Heer' has lost this meaning, and certainly didn't have this meaning in the case of the Heren 17 or the Heren Regeerders. Their power was derived from their wealth, made working as businessmen - an activity the European nobility of the time despised. However, I can't think of a better translation. Maybe someone can write a page on these heren one day, and elaborate on their position... --Mzzl (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with you --Mzzl. This is actually what I tried to explain... but couln't find the correct words for. Dqfn13 (talk) 09:39, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree that "Heren" or "Herr", meant most correctly the English equivalent "Sir" or "Sirrah", etc., nothing more or less. Regards, 96.19.152.171 (talk) 19:54, 14 August 2013 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes

I beg to disagree. Yes, the word "heren" is even written on public toilet doors (in the same way that "gentlemen" is used in English), but in the historical context "Herengracht" is not merely the "Gentlemans Canal" (as opposed to an imaginary "Ladies Canal"), but a canal where the upper class resided. (and to some extent still resides). Rbakels (talk) 19:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Twin towns and sister cities

I see that Montreal is mentioned as a twin city, yet I don't see anything about it in the reference (#120)given: http://vorige.nrc.nl/international/Features/article2321785.ece/Amsterdam_redefines_town-twinning_as_aid

Furthermore, looking at the list of official undertakings towards agreements for twin or sister cities by Montreal, I see no mention of Amsterdam either: http://www11.ville.montreal.qc.ca/sherlock2/servlet/template/sherlock%2CAfficherDocumentInternet.vm/nodocument/20146 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.51.218.38 (talk) 09:34, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Stadsdelen

"The stadsdelen are responsible for many activities that had previously been run by the central city."

Such as? Can someone flesh this out more, add more detail? What are some things the boroughs are responsible for? This should be added to the section. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:50, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

——— — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.68.120.101 (talk) 15:39, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

"Stadsdelen" is a neutral term ("parts of the city"), but formal "deelgemeenten" )("partial municipalities", of that is an understandable term in English) with their own administration no longer exist in Amsterdam as of 2014. Rbakels (talk) 19:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Pictures

I would like to open up a discussion on removing the two images added by user:Владимир Шеляпин. The image of the national monument is cluttering the history section and the WWII era is already covered with the Anne Frank House picture. The other picture of Damrak in the architecture section does not have any new styles of architecture specific to Amsterdam (17th century styles already covered with the other picture of 17th century houses and the Westerkerk so this is redundant) and there is an eyesore casino in the picture. Swimmerguy269 (talk) 23:10, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I do not agree.

1) National monument is a remarkable attraction and a symbol of great events of XX centure so it is an appropriate picture in this section and should not be removed.

2) The picture of Damrak in the Architecture's section presents the typical Amsterdam architecture of XVII c.

This photo is the better than (File:Amsterdam, Westerkerk foto3 2007-10-20 13.45.JPGb) where architecture of the buildings is closed by trees.

3) Photos deleted without discussion and summarizing should be restored. --Vladimir Shelyapin 11:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Владимир Шеляпин (talk • contribs)

The three pictures added are simply attempts by user:Владимир Шеляпин to use his own images for self-promotion at the expense of the article's quality. The images should be removed for the reasons listed below:

1) The history section should try to use historical images. The National Monument picture (File:Dam Square. National Monument.JPG) is a modern picture of a modern memorial. If pictures of WWI/II memorials were appropriate for city history sections, why can I not find one picture in other prominent city wikis (London, Paris, New York City, Washington D.C., Berlin, Moscow, Beijing, etc.)? If you want to depict the city's history during World War I or World War II in picture, then find a historical picture from that era to incorporate into the article (i.e. people suffering through the Hunger Winter, the treatment of Jewish residents, the February Strike, the liberation of the city, etc.). Because of the reasons listed above, the picture should be removed.

2) This section of the article is supposed to be focused on architecture specific to Amsterdam (i.e. Medieval Dutch architecture, Dutch 17th century architecture, Architecture from the Amsterdam School, etc.), not focused on showing pictures of modern casinos and (British) Victorian architecture. Of the first four buildings in (File:Дамрак.JPG): the 1st and most prominent building in the picture is a modern casino with absolutely no architectural value to this article, 2nd is likely from the 17th/18th century and has value but it is only one building and isn't a historical monument (which is what we should be trying to depict in pictures for this section), 3rd and 4th look like they are from the eighteen hundreds and aren't styles specific to Amsterdam (the one is British Victorian). So, only one building of the first four shows architecture specific to Amsterdam. The fact that it has a casino as the first and most prominent building should warrant its removal from the page on its own. The image (File:Amsterdam, Westerkerk foto3 2007-10-20 13.45.JPGb) is better for this section because: (A) it shows the tallest church tower in the city (a historical monument) that was designed by one of the most prominent 17th century Dutch Architects, (B) it shows multiple 17th century canal houses (a style typical to Amsterdam), (C) it shows Princengract, which is a UNESCO World Heritage Site because of the architecture along the canal, (D) does not show any eyesore casinos, and (E) the photograph is of overall better stylistic quality than (File:Дамрак.JPG). There may be trees covering a few of the houses in the Westerkerk photo, but you can see the majority of the first three houses through the trees. Also, there are already multiple pictures (I counted 7) throughout the entire article that show 17th century Dutch house architecture and the article doesn't really need anymore for the sake of keeping it from looking cluttered.

3) The picture (File:Muntorren.JPG) shows tourists looking at a map, which is not interesting, to say the least, and looks too staged. There are power lines all over the picture. The picture does not display the tourism industry as well as (File:KeizersgrachtLeliegracht.jpg), which is better suited for the article because it: (A) shows a canal tour boat (a major tourism industry that brings in much revenue to the city), (B) shows the Canal Ring (a UNESCO World Heritage Site and a major tourist attraction), and (C) the picture is of a higher stylistic quality than (File:Muntorren.JPG). Because of these reasons and because it is cluttering the article with an unnecessary picture, it should be removed. Swimmerguy269 (talk) 03:42, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

1) The National Monument is not a modern one, it was built in 1956. A national Remembrance of the Dead (Dodenherdenking) ceremony is held at the monument every year on 4 May to commemorate the casualties of World War II and subsequent armed conflicts. It is an important historic place.

2) File:Дамрак.JPG shows a mix of various architecture styles that is typical for Amsterdam.

3) File:Muntorren.JPG shows tourists looking at a map in front of the famous Amsterdam tower.--Vladimir Shelyapin 15:08, 7 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Владимир Шеляпин (talk • contribs)

Real meaning of the name of the city.

In the beginning of the Wiki article are these words, "Amsterdam's name derives from Amstelredamme,[9] indicative of the city's origin: a dam in the river Amstel." Can anyone really believe that this river was actually dammed at this time? If so, then you or they are fools. Interesting though is another variation in the spelling of the name, which can be found to be "Amstel-redan"! A "redan" means in English and probably in other Low Dutch as a "fortress"! And what a fortress of "Islands"! Was this city of sailors, etc. or even the city or state of "Isles?" An example of the spelling as "Amstel-redan", can be found at this source or reference; ref. Goss, John., ''The mapmaker's Art. A history of Cartography"Italic text. It can also be found in the online book "History: Fiction or Science", Volume One, pages 36 and 37! It is dated to 1625 CE. Source! 96.19.152.171 (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2013 (UTC) Ronald L.Hughes

Note that the difference is basically substituting an n for an m, which is a common mistake that can be made. Does either of the sources claim the word redan for fortress as the origin of the name, or do those sources only contain the alternative spelling. A lot of Dutch city/town names are of the form river-dam, so there is no reason to think the timeline would make the etymology unbelievable. CRwikiCA talk 05:15, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

So, according to the respondant, the city was built on the River Amstel, but the spelling has changed to "Amster?", if so, why? Amstel is the name of one of the famous beers of the area, and faithfully renders the name as connected to the River. The use of the word "Redan", I propose,could easily be translated to the more English word "Redoubt", or again, a fortress, "defensive wall", etc. Again, during the period mentioned, there existed no way to actualy "dam" the Amstel River, so the assumption that their was an actual dam of the river in those early days is obviously contrived for some unknown reason. For example, could it (the Amstel river) be dammed today? And from a woodcutting reproduction of a painting dated to 1538 CE seen here "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cornelis_anthonisz_vogelvluchtkaart_amsterdam.JPG" Indicate any type of dam? Of course I could accept that a fortress on one or both banks of this river (the Amstel) could effectively be a "dam" to any river traffic, effectively stopping the movement of boats, and subjecting them to "fees, tolls" etc. Regards, 96.19.152.171 (talk) 19:34, 14 August 2013 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes

You do raise an interesting argument. Of course one can also question whether the river called Amstel nowadays is the same river that was names so in the Middle Ages. CRwikiCA talk 21:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

on the reproduction mentioned above one can clearly see the 'dam' in the river (right in the center). Before the dam was build, canals and dikes were laid through the river delta along side the main stream (these dikes still exists today). The dug out soil being used to make more land for housing also explains the canals, which were used for transportation. The land in and around the settlement was swamp, yet it was a good place to live (close to the sea). The process of land reclamation was also used around this time in other parts of the Netherlands. The oldest river-dam in the country is claimed to be build in 12 B.C. by the Romans. The river Amstel is up to date running through the city all most up to the central square still called Dam. As for the etymology of the name from Amstelredamme to the current spelling Amsterdam: Old archives show many different spellings Aemstelredam, Aemstelredamme, Amestelledamme, Amstelredam, Amstelredamme, and Amsteldam. To name the place as 'dam in the Aemestelle' (as the river was called) one had to combine these words with an 'r', as e.g. was also used for Rotterdam (dam in the river Rotte) and many other places. The change in pronunciation from the old dutch language to modern dutch can also have contributed to the change. The combination elre in the middle of a word is very hard to pronounce in modern day Dutch. So, although the suggestion made that the name might be derived from 'redan' is interesting, it can not be considered as a valid explanation, if only that the settlement was named before it was fortified. GuppieB52 (talk) 19:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

The ending "er" is pretty normal in Dutch (like it is in English: a person from New York is called a New Yorker). Then the name "Amsteler dam" would be more consistent, but assimilation of syllabes is not unusual, in particular in names that are very old. Rbakels (talk) 19:37, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Proposed infobox update

Amsterdam
City and Municipality
Clockwise from top: Skyline of Amsterdam, Buildings in Amsterdam, De Wallen (Red light district), Dam Square, Skyscrapers in Amsterdam, a Cannabis coffee shop, Canals of Amsterdam Clockwise from top: Skyline of Amsterdam, Buildings in Amsterdam, De Wallen (Red light district), Dam Square, Skyscrapers in Amsterdam, a Cannabis coffee shop, Canals of Amsterdam
Flag Coat of arms
Nickname(s):  Mokum, Venice of the North
Motto(s):  Heldhaftig, Vastberaden, Barmhartig (Valiant, Steadfast, Compassionate)
Location in North Holland
Coordinates: 52°22′N 4°54′E
Country	Netherlands
Province	North Holland
Boroughs	8 Districts Centrum Noord West Nieuw-West Zuid Oost Zuidoost Westpoort
Government
• Body	Municipal council
• Mayor	Eberhard van der Laan (PvdA)
• Aldermen	List of aldermen Carolien Gehrels Eric Wiebes Freek Ossel Maarten van Poelgeest Andrée van Es Eric van der Burg Pieter Hilhorst
Area
• Municipality	219.49 km2 (84.75 sq mi)
• Land	165.50 km2 (63.90 sq mi)
• Water	53.99 km2 (20.85 sq mi)
• Randstad	3,043 km2 (1,175 sq mi)
Elevation	2 m (7 ft)
Population  (Municipality, January 2021; Urban and Metro, May 2014; Randstad, 2011)
• Municipality	873,338
• Density	5,277/km2 (13,670/sq mi)
• Urban	1,392,695
• Metro	2,480,995
• Randstad	6,979,500
Demonym	Amsterdammer
Time zone	UTC+1 (CET)
• Summer (DST)	UTC+2 (CEST)
Postcode	1000–1109
Area code	020
Website	www.amsterdam.nl

As part of WikiProject Dutch municipalities I am going through the municipal articles and updating the infoboxes with new information and with using data templates to keep population number up-to-date. Usually I am bold and implement them, but because of the details in the current infobox I am suggesting this on the talk page first to see if there are any comments. I propose to use the version on the right here as the new infobox, this includes

• Updating it using the current fields used in {{Infobox settlement}} including white space and the order as discussed in the documentation.
• Updating population numbers and using data templates
• Standardizing some of the wording and image sizes
• Having the districts and aldermen in a collapsible list.
• Statistics Netherlands defines urban and metro populations, the current ref in the infobox corresponds with the data in this proposal. The current version of the infobox has different numbers than its source...
• The following references are used in this suggested infobox

Let me know whether there are any objections or additions to this proposal. If not, I will update this infobox in the near future. CRwikiCA talk 21:10, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Seeing how there are no objections, I will implement these changes. CRwikiCA talk 17:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I object to the inclusion of a coffeeshop and the wallen in the infobox photo. Should we include the red light district of every city on wikipedia in the infobox photo for every city on wikipedia? Amsterdam is a major metropolitan city and capital city, please concentrate on those functions of the city. 130.235.100.32 (talk) 13:08, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

This photo was used before, so the selection of pictures never involved me. Note, however, that Amsterdam, unlike most cities, is known worldwide for its red light district and drug use. These items are central to its international image and should, therefore, be included. CRwikiCA talk 13:35, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Addition of boroughs annexed in 1921

I have added information on the annexation of some villages by Amsterdam in 1921 as it is a relevant explanation for the growth of the city (see also text further on on development of new suburbs). Furthermore for these annexed places it is an important fact in their history. (it is also mentioned in a separate article on Schellingwoude. For researchers it is important to realize that the municipality records of these villages are since then part of the Amsterdam archives. GuppieB52 (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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àâĎĤḬẪ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.5.31.23 (talk) 11:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

British or American spelling

We should stick to one type of spelling and stick with that (preferably American or British). The page is now a weird mix of various spellings and looks very unprofessional. What do you think? Gati123 (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Examples: In the lead it says: "As the commercial capital of the Netherlands and one of the top financial centres" however a few sentences later it says: "The Amsterdam Stock Exchange, the oldest stock exchange in the world, is located in the city center."

"Ethnic tension"?

There's a section that appears to be some sort of political attack on the Mayor. There's an implication that the Mayor is targetting Turks and Moroccans by shutting off their cable TV with a link about a routine commercial decision in Rotterdam to change the basic cable package which has nothing to do with the Mayor or Amsterdam. There's also an accusation of "not voluntary" assimilation (whatever that is) made here and further whining about the Mayor and his party. I think this section should be removed as there's no substance to it and replaced with some proper hard statistics about crimes such as the murder of Van Gogh and the common underworld liquidations in the city as these are more relevant than cable TV packages. HendrikDeLeeuw (talk) 09:07, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

As well as that the whole section seems like opinion or original research. Almost none of the assertions are backed up with sources. For instance, the murder of Theo Van Gogh: is it really an example of ethnic tensions? Or just one crazy religious guy murdering someone? Our opinions on the question do not matter. We need sources. Ashmoo (talk) 09:02, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Timeline of Amsterdam

What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 12:52, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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I resent the pictures at the top of the article. The pictures are a wild grasp of touristic images and not a good representation of Amsterdam. It is indeed that a lot of tourists come to Amsterdam for the drugs and the red light district, but it´s a small part of Amsterdam as a whole. I would like to move these pictures to the Nightlife section, where they are more appropriate. I would also point out that user 130.235.100.32 (NN) also objected to these pictures on this talk page, but at that time there is done nothing with this comment. Ï cite: "Note, however, that Amsterdam ... is known worldwide for its red light district and drug use. These items are central to its international image and should ... be included." This is not objective because it is only the way tourists look at Amsterdam. The drugs and red light district are part of Amsterdam, but not in the way it is represented here.Wardk (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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List of squares in Amsterdam and List of parks in Amsterdam

I started List of squares in Amsterdam and List of parks in Amsterdam. If you wish to improve them, please do. Thank you kindly. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:29, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, metropolitan area subsection of government section starts with Amsterdam is usually understood to refer to the municipality of Amsterdam. Colloquially, some areas within the municipality, such as the town of Durgerdam, may not be considered part of Amsterdam. https://www.plaatsengids.nl/amsterdam says De gemeente Amsterdam omvat naast de gelijknamige stad verder nog de dorpen Driemond, Durgerdam, Holysloot, Ransdorp, Schellingwoude en Zunderdorp, en het kunstenaarsdorpje Ruigoord. In English this is: In addition to the eponymuous city, the municipality of Amsterdam also includes the villages Driemond, Durgerdam, Holysloot, Ransdorp, Schellingwoude and Zunderdorp, and the artists' village of Ruigoord. Dutch Wikipedia has an article for the city and the municipality each. Six other Wikipedias, including Arabic and French have a separate article for the municipality and the city as well. The Dutch Wikipedia template for the municipality has Amsterdam as one of the places in the municipality of Amsterdam. However, the Dutch article on the municipality and the one on the city have the same population and area in the respective infobox. Furthermore, the article on the city of Amsterdam starts with Amsterdam is de (titulaire) hoofdstad en naar inwonertal de grootste gemeente van Nederland. In English this can be given as:Amsterdam is the titular capital and the largest municipality by population of the Netherlands. Kind regards, Sarcelles (talk) 20:16, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

It's not mandatory to have an article for every definition of a place, and overlapping articles can become content forks - it can be difficult to know in which article some info belongs. Batternut (talk) 16:30, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I suggest, that any two uninvolved persons email to the local authority of Amsterdam to ask, whether there is a difference between the city and the municipality as well as how the city is defined, if the answer is yes.

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Would WIKIPEDIA kindly disambiguate the following:

"Amsterdam has a population of 851,373 within the city proper, 1,351,587 in the urban area,[14] and 2,410,960 in the Amsterdam metropolitan area."[8]

"The city is located in the province of North Holland in the west of the country but is not its capital, which is Haarlem. The metropolitan area (AGAIN) comprises much of the northern part of the Randstad, one of the larger conurbations in Europe, with a population of approximately 8 million."[15]

PLEASE EXPLAIN...? Is Amsterdam's "metropolitan population" really 2,410,960...?? OR 8 Million people...?? - WHICH IS IT...??? (86.26.223.193 (talk) 11:29, 22 July 2018 (UTC))

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Infobox needs update because of "I amsterdam" letters removal

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