Talk:Anamnesis (Christianity)

21st Century Catholicism and Protestant faiths

This article errs in referring to the Church and suggesting that all Christian faiths hold the same meaning for anamnesis. In addition, since Vatican II in the 1960s, the Catholic Chruch no longer views the moment of consecration as the only point at which the passion, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ is made present (not repeated, but made present now). The emphasis of that point only was a response to the Protestant Reformation, In time and prior to the 8th century, at least, the entire Eucharistic prayer, is the moment of anamnesis. Yves Congar taught that the entire Mass is a moment of anamnesis as the entire Body of Christ is unified both vertically and horizontally.

Some Protestant faiths see anamnesis as pure recollection of past, not making the past present. In that, some see the Eucharist as physically copying actions at the last supper while others, like Presbyterian, see Eucharist as a Spritual reality brought forth.

Can the article be re-written to attest to the different beliefs various groups have regarding the meaning of anamnesis?Taram (talk) 18:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

• this article correctly separates the general meaning of anamnesis as a theological term, from the narrow meaning that this technical word has in the study of liturgy (as usually found in the literature). Of course you are free and invited to add other theological meanings of anamnesis if well supported by references and not POV. I however kindly ask you not to transform this article in an other article about different understandings of the Eucharist, which are already covered by other articles: simply references are enough. A ntv (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you A ntv. I re-read the article and I can see in some of what I mentioned the second paragraph ("In a wider sense, Anamnesis is a key concept in the liturgical theology: in worship the faithful recall God's saving deeds.[1] This memorial aspect is not simply a passive process but one by which the Christian can actually enter into the Paschal mystery.[2]"). That said, I think this difference could be written more clearly for the person wanting a quick access multiple meanings of the word in Christianity in order to start searching elsewhere more deeply. As per sources there are numerous sources available. One that comes to mind in Catholicism without searching is the 36th footnote in Yves Congar's 1951 article in La Maison Dieu (and reproduced in 1963 in Sainte Eglise published in Paris by Editions du Cerf) as "The Holy Church: Studies and Approached to Eccclesiology." As per Presbyterianism, some of Heinrich Bullinger and John Calvin had thoughts on the subject.

One other though, since Orthodoxy seems to be covered on the page, it does not need much additional work. More easily accesible sources on Catholicism would include the Catechism of the Catholic Church. In addition, English speaking countries each, also, have a General Instruction on the Roman Missal published by each country's bishops conference which could be used for resource purposes. Taram (talk) 20:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Frank Senn (a Lutheran) in his huge "Christian Liturgy" (pag 79) states that anamnesis has became a technical term, and it refers to the words in the Euchaistic Prayers. When I have time, I may add the anamnesis-words from a few historical but important Protestant Eucharistic Prayers (taken from the "Jasper and Cuming, Prayers of the Eucharist"). More in general, the meaning given to "Do this in memory of me", i.e. the relation between the present Eucharist celebration, the Last supper and the Passion and Cross, coincides with the understanding of the Eucharist of each Christian group. A ntv (talk) 22:20, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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