Talk:Anatolia Eyalet

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The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 08:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Anadolu Province → Anatolia Province, Ottoman Empire – need for standard Ottoman subdivsion title format. See WP:RM page for similar requests. Sample: Bosnia Province, Ottoman Empire. See Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire for details of Ottoman subdivisions and Category:Provinces of the Ottoman Empire for list of pages.

Voting

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• Oppose Pointless pursuit of an unnecessary uniformity. If this disambiguated, it might be worth doing; but there is no need for a long name, which will usually require piping or redirection. "Anatolia Province", simply, would be acceptable, as incorporating the English name of the region. Septentrionalis 20:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Support This change should be made as it is being made for other similar articles but I'm not sure if the article should be changed to 'Anatolia' as Anadolu is the name given to it under Ottoman Empire. --Quinlan Vos 11:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Support and use the English name Anatolia. LuiKhuntek 07:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Support. —Nightstallion (?) 08:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

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Name

• "Anatolia Eyalet" -Llc ?
• "Eyalet of Anatolia" -Llc 10

-- Takabeg (talk) 02:50, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Map

The current map shows the eyalet during the last part of it's 400+ years of existance perhaps a map from an earlier period would be better? Idealy a map of the eyalet and it's sanjaks would be most helpful now that the Sanjaks are all listed... 194.103.189.41 (talk) 11:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no decision made at this time. This is a procedural close, because I'm combining this request with 9 substantially identical ones at Talk:Mosul Eyalet. See below for an automated link which should appear to that discussion. - GTBacchus^(talk) 12:49, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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Anatolia Eyalet → Eyalet of Anatolia – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:02, 17 September 2011 (UTC) – per WP:COMMONNAME

• "Anatolia Eyalet" -Llc 2 ?
• "Eyalet of Anatolia" -Llc 9
• "Anadolu Eyalet" -Llc 8, 4 of them are written in Turkish language
• "Eyalet of Anadolu" -Llc 10
• Ottoman + "Province of Anatolia" -Llc 147
• Ottoman "Anatolia Province" -Llc 15

I think that "Province of Anatolia" is also acceptable, because there was not "Vilayet of Anatolia". What do you think ?

-- Takabeg (talk) 07:30, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. Typically at Wikipedia, administrative subdivsions are titled XXXX subdivision and not Subdivision of XXXX even though usage in sources might reflect both forms. (e.g., Governorates of Egypt, States of Nigeria, Domains of Japan, Counties of Iran). Even many of the Ottoman eyalet articles currently follow this format (see here). Considering the paucity of references using either of these terms ("Anatolia Province" is more common than either of names discussed here), there is no reason to be inconsistent. But I would support a move to Anatolia Province. —  AjaxSmack  11:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

• I prefer "Province of Anatolia":
• "Province of Anatolia" -Llc 383
• "Anatolia Province" -Llc 57

Takabeg (talk) 12:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

• In the results of these searches, "province" is used almost always as a descriptive and not a title (note that it is rarely capitalized) As such, word order for Wikipedia can remain consistent with other articles without issue. —  AjaxSmack  12:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Please also note a couple of examples of similar cases here at Wikipedia:

1. Poland's administrative subdivisions are usually called "provinces" in English. At Wikipedia, however, the term voivodeship is used (for precision and other reasons) and all of the provinces are consistently titled XXXX Voivodeship. Individual Google searches were not used to determine each province's article title.
2. Iraq's administrative subdivisions are usually called "provinces" in English. At Wikipedia, however, the term governorate is used (for precision and other reasons) and all of the provinces are consistently titled XXXX Governorate. Individual Google searches were not used to determine each province's article title.

In these cases and many others, both common English usage and Google hits are subsumed to a rational, systematic approach to naming. I'm not a fan of consistency for consistency's sake but Wikipedia's article title naming criteria list "Consistency – Does the proposed title follow the same pattern as those of similar articles?". The format XXXX eyalet is both convenient for readers who see the placename first and creates fewer alphabetization and sorting problems. A miniscule number of Google hits aside, I just don't see any compelling reason why this individual case is different. —  AjaxSmack  17:38, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

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Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Mosul Eyalet which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 13:03, 25 September 2011 (UTC)