Talk:André Bauer

Andre Bauer

This was a duplicate article... some of the same text used, but it was much more POV. I suppose some of it could be salvaged and merged here if anyone feels like it. I've gone ahead and redirected it here. --W.marsh 20:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I removed the link from the name of Mike Campbell, since it directs to the wrong Mike Campbell. LordDextershire

Driving record

Anyone in Columbia knows that Andre Bauer has a less-than-shiny driving record. However, I do not know if I feel this is noteworthy or not. They ran a joke in The State newspaper about "Driving tips from Andre Bauer". Here [1] is an article about his driving record and multiple motor vehicle violations. This caused quite a bit of controversy. Zchris87v 03:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

It gathered enough attention at the time of the incidents and also has led to inquiries later about the facts of the cases -- especially from observers outside of South Carolina. It continues to be noteworthy because some readers believe that the actions in these incidents could reflect the judgment used in other situations. Likewise, it would be unfair for opinions to be based on rumors which could misrepresent the actual events, so it is best for substantiated facts to be presented. The use of the two-way radio probably has a correlation in the incident on Feb 25, 2006, but the radio itself has no definitive causation of the troopers' actions. I see nothing wrong with adding information about the use of the two-way radios, but it would be inaccurate (or at least unsubtantiated) to say that no ticket was given because of the radios. LMNO Goldfish (talk) 09:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Marital Status and allegations of Homosexuality

Does anyone know his marital status? At age 40, I assume he's married, but it's not listed.69.1.41.26 (talk) 15:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

No, he is not married. Mike H. Fierce! 01:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Are there any indications as to what his sexual orientation is?Пипумбрик (talk) 23:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Blogger Michael Rogers, known for outing hypocritical closeted gay politicians has posted that Bauer is gay. Though doubters are airing skepticism, it should be noted that Rogers faced brickbats when he outed both Larry Craig and Mark Foley - and was vindicated in the end. Rogers is known to out people only when his evidence has reached a critical mass, so there is credibility in his allegations. Wikipedia is not censored, so I am leaving the allegations in until they are disproven.THD3 (talk) 16:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

For precedent on leaving allegations of homosexuality in the article, please see the articles for Jim McCrery, David Drier, and Charlie Crist.THD3 (talk) 17:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

This statement: "Rogers' outings have typically been justified by allegations of anti-gay bias in a subject's political views and voting record that Rogers decries as hypocritical" should be reexamined as well as the use of the term "outings". There is no logical basis on which to support such a double standard. When the news media highlighted Richard Cheney and his family during the 2004 Republican Convention, they casually and repeated "outed" Elizabeth Cheney as an active and unrepentant heterosexual. Yet no one in the media was criticized for neglecting to ask her permission before the "outing". Similarly, the media repeatedly identified Richard Cheney's opposite sex bedroom partner, Lynne. It can only be seen as extremely odd that we feel the need to jump through all these hoops when discussing a man who has sex with men (as verified by Bauer's male sex partners).Lanter.sco (talk) 07:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

The information on Bauer's sexual orientation has been reinstated. As it is properly cited with credible sources (e. g., CNN) any removal of this information will be considered to be vandalism.THD3 (talk) 19:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

User:Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz has been deleting all information referencing the controversy surrounding Beuer's outing and alleged homosexuality. The fact that this controversy began with a blog entry by activist Mike Rogers is irrelevant. It has since been reported in the mainstream media, including local television stations in South Carolina and CNN. The paragraph in question is written in a way that mentions the controversy. It also includes Bauer's dismissal of the claim as "silly". This does not violate WP:BLP because the article does not claim that Bauer is gay, it only reports on the controversy. User:Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz has refused my request to discuss this matter on this talk page, and has deleteed my response from his own talk page.THD3 (talk) 13:15, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I am removing the disputed content immediately. The CNN article that THD3 is referring to states clearly that the allegations are just rumors being spread by Bauer's political rivals. As for the other sources, they are hardly "credible" (as stated above). Bloggers are not considered reliable sources. Even Advocate.com, which might be a reliable source states "A South Carolina politician with a lengthy antigay voting record who has repeatedly denied that he is gay is lying, according to blogger Mike Rogers." We aren't here to relay the opinions of bloggers, and since the material is contentious and potentially libelous, I am removing it per WP:BLP. ƒ(Δ)² 14:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't solve the problem of who is spreading the rumors. The Charleston City Paper article I added claims that they are much older than the current controversy and that Bauer's supporters are falsely trying to blame them on Bauer's opponents.--Bhuck (talk) 13:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

The latest version of the section may need to be reinstated. The Firedoglake citation isn't a report on controversy like the CNN article is, it is an video interview where S.C. politician Linda Ketner made the initial allegation. As a member of the gay community and a public servant, her credibility is stronger than a blogger -- a false allegation would be an embarrassment for the very community she represents and detrimental to her political career. Also note, she made the allegation off-hand in a discussion about the influence of homosexuality in S.C. politics. She was not in political contention with Bauer who sought and holds a different office.

In regards to the CNN article, Aditya is mistaken in noting that CNN reported that the motivations of Rogers' later allegations are political. CNN simply reported that Knotts and Bauer's associates' were responding with allegations that Governor Sanford was the source and that his motivations were political.

As Bhuck noted above, the allegations are long standing. Having preceded the recent political jockeying that Knotts and Bauer cite, the allegations have credible sources that have been reported in local South Carolina news

Why this obsession with his sexual orientation?--Dvd-junkie (talk) 03:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Which is it, 84th or 87th Lt Gov?

The Infobox says he's the 87th Lieutenant Governor of SC; yet the content says 84th. Which is it? GoodDay (talk) 22:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

POV

I don't hold a grudge against Mr. Bauer, but this article looks like it's written by his staff. Just one example: "Lt. Governor Bauer served in the South Carolina House from 1996 to 1999, he gained a reputation for hard work and tireless constituent service." I mean, are you kidding? This is not a pamphlet but an encyclopedia. Admittedly, I am not interested in this topic enough to do the changes that IMHO are necessary, but could someone with knowledge about S.C. please clean this up? --Bernardoni (talk) 23:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

-> If you look at the edits, a number were written by him, or at least someone claiming to be "Ltgovbauer" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.244.159 (talk) 14:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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