Talk:André Campra

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{{Foreignchar|Andre Campra|é}}

The {{Foreignchar|Andre Campra|é}} template has nothing to do with original research. — Robert Greer (talk) 17:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

What's your source for the statement: "The title of this article contains the character é. Where it is unavailable or not desired, the name may be represented as Andre Campra"? In other words, which authorities say so? Why would it "not be desired" to render "André Campra" with an accent? I've certainly never seen "André Campra" given as "Andre Campra" by any reliable source. --Folantin (talk) 17:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The operative words are, "Where it is unavailable". American keyboards do not have diacritics and many Americans do not know how to insert them otherwise (this is English Wikipedia after all.) As to the rest, please see Template:Foreign character, which has been in use since October 17^th, 2005, on which date it was created by Wiki. admin. Stemonitis. — Robert Greer (talk) 18:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

All of which is irrelevant (and US keyboards can quite easily create the right diacritics, plus they are easily available via Wikipedia). You cannot make controversial claims such as "the name may be represented as Andre Campra" without a reliable source. At a push, I can see a possible use of this template for characters such as the German ß (which may be rendered "ss" in some circumstances) and the Icelandic Þ (which may be rendered "Th"), but "Andre Campra" is simply inaccurate. No reliable sources use this rendering. (Incidentally, this issue has already been discussed at Wikiproject:Opera [1]). --Folantin (talk) 19:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

From Template:Foreign character

This template is designed to help users who may be unfamiliar with the use of "foreign" characters in (titles of) articles. It allows the article to make reference to the troublesome letter directly, and give the equivalent spelling if one sticks to the "English alphabet" of non-accented characters. It was originally designed to help deal with titles of articles that contain the German ß, but is equally applicable to other characters, such as the ç in façade, etc.

Many — dare I say most — Americans do not know how to insert diacritics (most Americans, after all, never hold a passport.) Nor do they, nor have they any reason, to know to click on Wikipedia's drop down arrow next to the word "Insert" and then select "Latin". But then again, perhaps I suffer from the delusion that Wikipedia exists to be used by its readers rather than the esoteric quibbling of its editors. — Robert Greer (talk) 19:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow, some might say you have a rather patronising attitude to "most Americans" who presumably have to be protected against chance encounters with anything foreign in case they get too upset (in any case, this is not an encyclopaedia exclusively for hypothetical US xenophobes). Unfortunately, there is nothing "esoteric" about "André". That's simply how the name is spelled and if you have any dealings with things French you are bound to come across it sooner or later. "Andre" is not an acceptable substitute, it's simply inaccurate. Again, if you are going to reinstate the template, you need reliable sources saying that "Andre Campra" is a legitimate alternative spelling (and you also need to avoid giving them undue weight).--Folantin (talk) 20:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Patronising, no; realistic, yes; realistic in that I'd like American users of Wikipedia to be able to do so without having to break out a 1980s computer manual to look up the use of the numeric keypad to insert diacritics (if they even have a numeric keypad, that is) or to have to learn how to edit Wikipedia just to be able to look up Andre Campra if that's how they encountered it.

It is rather more patronising to expect lay users of English Wikipedia to be familiar with French, German, Spanish, Italian, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian orthography.

I have nothing further to say in this matter, other than than to suggest that your citing of undue weight is every bit as irrelevant to this discussion as your previous reference to no original research. And that I am removing this page from my watch list. — Robert Greer (talk) 22:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I came to this page by way of 'Andre Campra' (without an accent) and was immediately redirected to André Campra. So that's not a problem. As for editing, we have clickable Latin etc accents available just below this edit box. On the other hand, having a text that says "the name may be represented as Andre Campra" is misleading because 'Andre Campra' is not a recognized alternative version of his name. So it's better not to use the Foreignchar hatnote.--Kleinzach 05:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

References

References such as "BBC Radio 3: 7 December 2010" are quite useless. Nobody can refer to them and there's no reason to believe that whoever said whatever was a scholarly source anyway. Adlestrop ant (talk) 11:38, 27 March 2013 (UTC)