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Requested move 18 February 2020

Latest comment: 4 years ago8 comments7 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 17:21, 4 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Andrew Sabisky → Andrew Sabisky appointment – This article should not continue as a biography of a living person (BLP) because of the 1 event rule (WP:BLP1E). However, the appointment of Andrew Sabisky to an adviser role within the Prime Minister's office and the controversy which ensued leading to his sacking/resignation has been a significant, notable event within UK politics. The appointment (and not the person) does merit an article and that is why I am proposing this move. (I have made a similar argument under the current AfD discussion). Oska (talk) 21:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 22:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

If changed, this should instead be in sentence case as "Andrew Sabisky appointment", per WP:TITLEFORMAT. Grayfell (talk) 00:10, 19 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

I'd agree with that "appointment", and while I've done some touching up on the article and talk while passing to be clear that should not imply I'm in support of article retention, this move or any other, or a redirect with history and may possibilities and maybe printworthy.Djm-leighpark (talk) 00:34, 19 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Oppose. If kept it should stay as it is. He's not notable for his appointment. He's actually far more notable for his resignation and the reasons for it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

The appointment of Sabisky was what generated controversy (given his previously stated views). The controversy and political pressure following that appointment led to his sacking/resignation. So the appointment & subsequent resignation are two sides of the same coin and obviously both would be covered in the article. Oska (talk) 05:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Oppose per Necrothesp.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
Oppose per Necrothesp. Also just a note to say I've made a minor tweak to the proposed target, since our manual of style would suggest appointment should start with a lower case letter. This is Paul (talk) 18:10, 1 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Redirect is a surprise

Latest comment: 4 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

The 17 February 2020 AfD redirect result to Second Johnson ministry is a WP:SURPRISE as Andrew Sabisky is not mentioned at the target article. @Wikimandia please a organise appropriate content at (I'd suggest a WP:ANCHOR) on the target. Alternative @GPL93, Kurtis, StonyBrook, Buidhe, and This is Paul: or elseone please assist. Please avoid WP:UNDUE weight on the target. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure why you're singling me out. I didn't close out the AfD. It should have been merge and then redirect. Please be bold and organize it yourself. —Мандичка^YO 😜 07:21, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Wikimandia As far as I can tell you were the first to make that !vote in the AfD. My BOLD more would be to refer back to closer if nothing is done. I observe StonyBrook has already claimed to have got it sorted with a merge and a glance seems to indicate that is the case. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Djm-leighpark

Done StonyBrook (talk) 07:50, 8 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

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