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Latest comment: 8 years ago6 comments4 people in discussion
If I am reading this correctly, the train from Corato was an extra (untimetabled?) train and the station master at Andria was unaware it was running when he gave the train from Andria permission to proceed. Mjroots (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yep, you read correctly, the same thing was reported unofficially since two days ago in Italian media, and today it seems to have been confirmed by investigative sources. It's not still clear, anyway, if the third train was an unscheduled one or a regular train travelling late (maybe ET1016, scheduled at Corato at 10:48 and at Andria at 10:59?). Also, some survivors said they were forced to a train change in Andria station, where a train was left stopped and the other one (the one involved in the crash) departed to Corato. Investigators said they had no former informations about that train change and they will verify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.70.208.192 (talk) 10:53, 15 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Although there are still unresolved details, It is certain that the trains involved are ET1016 and ET1021 (and ET1642). I corrected the article.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 22:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Yes, from the later, more detailed newspaper reports it definitely seems that the earlier time for the accident (thus 11:06, not 11:38) is correct, and (accordingly) also these other train numbers. Don't know where this (wrong) 11:38 comes from, maybe from an early press release of the Italian transport minister (reference 9 in the article). I will now also change the accident time in the article (I hope that's ok), but for the time being also mention the other time in parenthesis to make clear what's going on. I'll also add the two more recent Italian newspaper articles as references. (There rather detailed actual times of departure and arrival are given in the lead up to the accident (the trains were late). If this should be included into the article, maybe I could help with that.) P.S. I haven't heard of these 3 missing persons, only of the 23 dead. 80.181.166.166 (talk) 16:44, 20 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Can you please include the detail about how many persons were traveling on the "Alstom Coradia" and the "Stadler FLIRT" trainsets respectively and how many of them died, injured or survived, during the Andria–Corato railway collision of 12 July 2016?
I'm currently unable to source that information, because the ANSA, RAI.it and the "Vigili di Fuoco" services all quote a lump total number of 23 deceased victims and 50+ injured persons in the disaster, but those numbers include both the Alstom and the Stadler made trainsets. It is important to study the statistics individually, because available photos suggest the degree of material destruction was vastly different between the two rail vehicles, thereby survival rates may have been very unequal in them. Thanks in advance! 82.131.210.163 (talk) 14:50, 19 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 8 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion
The article's current lead says: "At least 23 people were killed and 54 injured. Four people are unaccounted for and missing." I've not heard any more about the missing and the death toll doesn't seem to have been raised in any source that I've seen. What happened with the missing four? Prioryman (talk) 20:14, 19 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
In the collision, 27 souls perished. Three of them were train crew, 20 were passengers (those paying for tickets and those legally travelling for free due to old age or disability). The remaining 4 souls were "evasionists" who were onboard against the rules, riding without paying. They are not counted in the official toll and their names cannot be provided, because they were not there legally and their families are not entitled to any kind of compensation. (Fare evasion is a serious problem in italian railways, forcing FS to restrict ticket use to the same day only, starting from August 2016). 82.131.234.124 (talk) 19:41, 25 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
It seems completely unrealistic that the "official death toll" would not include everybody who died in the event. Whether the dead had tickets or not can not be relevant from that perspective. It might well affect insurance and other technicalities, but not the death toll. Therefore I doubt the previous IP user's statement on 27 dead. Fomalhaut76 (talk)