Talk:Angus Robertson

Expenses

Unless Robertson's expenses got a huge amount of coverage in a paper I don't read, it would be to give the subject far too much weight to mention it here. WP:NPOV and WP:BLP refer. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

It was reported in the Scotsman, The Telegraph and on STV News. Johnson1945 (talk) 20:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Irrelevant. The almost-half-a-million Purcell paid to Connarty's wife managed two of those three. A great many events concerning Baron von Ffoulkes scored three out of three. Marshall's expenses and nepotism, dismissed in a sentence, managed even more than that. Simply happening is not enough of itself. Read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry but that is irrelevant to this article on this individual and you are straying towards POV and you are pursueing a political agenda here. The article on Steven Purcell highlights criticism and controversy related to that individual yet you find it not at all hypocritical that controversy related to this man be excluded. Johnson1945 (talk) 20:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Neutral point of view is hardly irrelevant. It's non-negotiable. So too is Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. There is, in the great scheme of things, no controversy concerning Robertson or his expenses whereas the papers have devoted page after page to criticism of such as Purcell, Devine or Griffiths. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thats not what I said, I suggest you read my last comment. His expenses claims have been reported in several news outlets and the entire subject of expenses has been controversial. Johnson1945 (talk) 21:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Also I will add this, countless MP's who have submitted controversial parliamentary expenses all have this in their article, I fail to see why this individual's article should be excluded and those other individuals should be included also considering that their is an entire article on the scandal itself this is entirely noteworthy.Johnson1945 (talk) 21:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Only three of seventeen representing constituencies beginning with "A" have any coverage of their expenses. Countless? Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

To name a few : Allistair Darling, Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper, David Milliband, Andy Burnham, James Purnell, Bob Ainsworth, Vera Baird, Margaret Becket, Clive Betts, George Osborne, Chris Grayling, Kenneth Clarke, Eric Pickles, Alan Duncan, Liam Fox, Francis Maude, Andrew Lansley, Michael Gove, Caroline Spelman, Oliver Letwin, Janet Anderson, Celia Barlow, Liz Blackman, Peter Bone, Annette Brooke, Jeremy Browne, Stephen Byers, Vince Cable, Menzies Campbell, Christopher Chope, Julia Goldsworthy....I could go on and on but I have made my point. Johnson1945 (talk) 22:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I could spend longer and provide a full list, it would take many hours, however I started with the most prominent individuals of each party and since Angus Robertson is the SNP leader at Westminster it is noteworthy and relevant to the article in the same way it is relevant to the articles of the prominent individuals of the other Westminster Parties.Johnson1945 (talk) 22:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

[1] The reference says that Robertson was cleared of any wrongdoing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techtink (talk • contribs) 21:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

So where many of the above list but that doesn't detract from the notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnson1945 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

But Gordon Brown had to repay £12000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techtink (talk • contribs) 22:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

What has Gordon Brown have to do with this article? This article is about Angus Robertson.Johnson1945 (talk) 22:04, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

If Angus Robertson didn't repay anything and Gordon Brown had to repay 12000 - but there is no mention of it in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techtink (talk • contribs) 22:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Then I suggest you edit that article or discuss it in the discussion page. Information about expenses are in the articles of every prominent Westminster politician, Angus Robertson is the leader of the SNP group at Westminster, his expenses were reported in the media, it is noteworthy.Johnson1945 (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

And Gordon Brown's expenses weren't mentioned in the media? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techtink (talk • contribs) 22:13, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Again, I'm unsure why you keep bringing up Gordon Brown. This article is not on that individual but on Angus Robertson. Their is a discussion page about that individual, if you want to contribute to the discussion about that or add the information yourself then I suggest you do that rather than edit warring.Johnson1945 (talk) 22:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Well I chose Gordon Brown considering he is the most important UK politician, so its amazing that his repaid expenses was not mentioned yet Robertson's non-repaid expenses are to be mentioned. Do you not the see the contradiction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techtink (talk • contribs) 22:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Then go to his article and edit it or contribute to the discussion there. The majority of prominent UK politicians have information related to their expenses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnson1945 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Then why don't you then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techtink (talk • contribs) 22:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

The issue, as I believe I said before, is not whether this happened but whether the papers ran with this. The answer is that, unlike Purcell's problems, or Devine's, or even Griffiths', they didn't. And the answer is not to add non-events to other articles but to not add non-events here. I would object as strongly to Herman Munster's biography mentioning gangsters or Baron Zebedee's mentioning speculation as to his sexual orientation. These things are not news, not yet anyway and perhaps never. You'll know when things are worthy of inclusion because then the BBC "UK" (London) news will mention them. Like I said already, we have a policy for this kind of stuff. This one. It even has a noticeboard where you can ask questions like "should Angus Robertson's expenses be mentioned in this article". Use it, and don't edit war. And editing anonymously to circumvent blocks or get "free" reverts will only result in the article being protected so that only confirmed editors can edit it. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:54, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

2015 VE Day commemoration at the Cenotaph

The Daily Mail tells us this :"Despite being invited, Nicola Sturgeon was notably absent from the event, sending her Infrastructure Minister Keith Brown in her place." But not only did she attend and lay a wreath, but wasn't that Robertson alongside her also laying a wreath? He did not figure in the BBC commentary and is not credited in any press photos that I can find. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:13, 8 May 2015 (UTC) [2], "unknown"

Indeed, Robertson himself confirmed participation via Twitter: [3]. One can only assume that Nicola Sturgeon had originally planned not to attend, but found herself able to after all. Given they were both up very late the previous night, awaiting the result of the election, I think it was to their credit that they did both attend. I'm pretty sure that it was wholly against protocol to have two Scottish representatives, but I'm equally sure that no-one will mind, given that he's done it many times before as the SNP's spokesperson for foreign affairs and defence. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Next SNP Leader at Westminster

The BBC now reports four prospective candidates so far to succeed Robertson as Leader of the Scottish National Party in the House of Commons: [4] - Joanna Cherry, Drew Hendry, Ian Blackford and Tommy Sheppard. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Bedroom tax vote

This keeps being added.

In September 2014, Robertson – and three of his SNP colleagues – missed a vote on repealing the bedroom tax - despite the SNP making opposition to the policy a central part of its campaign for a yes vote in that year's independence referendum. Labour said: "Far from standing up for Scotland, the SNP have stayed at home and let Scotland down."

First of all this wasn't to repeal anything. It was a vote to amend.

Second of all the vote passed without the SNP votes.

Third of all the amendments, even though they passed, didn't become law because the Tories blocked it.

I wouldn't object to this being mentioned if we were actually being accurate about what happened. But the version being repeatedly added is not even close to being accurate. Are we just here to repeat Labour Party political point scoring? AlistairMcMillan (talk) 17:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

It is accurate - he missed a vote on the bedroom tax and it was covered at the time in the media. The bedroom tax is an important issue if you know people who have had to pay it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgitheanach12 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Love that you didn't respond to any of my points. The vote wasn't to repeal it was to amend. The vote passed without SNP votes, so what is the complaint about except obvious political point scoring. And most importantly even though it passed the vote it didn't become law. So this is the very definition of a nothing burger. Anyway I've updated the paragraph to actually reflect the sources. Happy? AlistairMcMillan (talk) 00:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)