Talk:Ansalon

Removed category

I deleted the Dragonlance category from this entry, as the guidelines suggest not to use both the category and subcategory. -- ReyBrujo 00:12, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Expanding

So what more has to be here to remove the stub from it? Also, what books would be useful in contributing to this article? DoomsDay349 01:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I think a map of pre-Cataclysm Ansalon would be useful, in addition a listing of regions for the continent such as Solmania and Ice Wall would flesh this out (lets stay away from specific locations like Clerists High Tower and Palanthus). If we look at an entry like North America and try to stick to the idea of describing its Geography, Historical Geography, and Nations/Territories I think we can flesh this out to be more than a stub. Eclecticvox 07:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

As far as reference, Atlas of the Dragonlance World by Karen Wynn Fonstad is good reference up until the Chaos wars. Eclecticvox 07:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

How to Organize

What should and should not be here? For instance, I don't think we should add such things as, for instance, the header Abanasinia with subheaders describing locations, as they would basically be the List of Dragonlance locations. I want to know exactly what info needs to be here. Thanks! DoomsDay349 04:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I think an Historical Geography broked down into era's would be a good start including embedded images. Also a Nations/Regions type section (possibly a table or highlighted map area images) talking about various regions such as Solmania, Spine of the World, Blood Sea would work as well. Keeping in mind we don't want to talk specifically of towns and settlements just the regions themselves from a geographical point of view. Eclecticvox 07:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

introduction

ok User:Gavin.collins how would you suggest improving the introduction to this article? notability aside as well as the other tags let focus on this to see what you think needs to be done. this article tells exactly what Ansalon is in it introductory sentence. it is a continent on the DragonLance world of Krynn. like Antartica is a continent on the world Earth. i guess all the senteces should be strung together so it would appear as one paragraph and an introductory paragraph? then add more to the article about what Ansalon is without using in-universe descriptions. i am putting this hear in hopes that you will try explaining your tags a bit more rather than blanketing articles with tags, and to participate in the field you wish to do so much work in. thanks for helping this article. shadzar-talk 22:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• In the DragonLance world of Krynn it is a continent but in the real-world of Wikipedia, it is a fictional location. Please replace the {{context}} and in universe cleanup template.
  As regards notability, you already know the drill: don't remove the cleanup template unless you add reliable secondary sources.--Gavin Collins (talk) 09:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

• The first sentence states that Ansalon is a continent in a fictional universe. What more context is needed? -Drilnoth (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
• Using the 3 pronge test for notability fiction, I am sure you know where that is; i say that Dragonlance is notable, and that has not been successfully disputed within its own article. Within the works of DragonLance itself Ansalon is the only place where the action of the fictional stories take place within the novels, movies, and games. So the importance within the fictional work is high. As for the third, what do you want form the article? Do you expect some random person to read everything and comment largely on every aspect of real world context? there aren't enough people in the world to give this, but fiven time for the article to be worked on them it will surely be present. OR states I myself cannot just go into how the racial problems presented in the world of Krynn and are present on Ansalon could related to US history, or even world history. I am not an independent reviewer. In this time of world economic crisis, it is likely that no one will be able to just review or write about it. So since there are many known books about the world of Krynn via the DragonLance stories, the game material on it, and the movie made and sold; I say Ansalon being the place that all this takes place in IS notable since it is the place that so many books have been written about. Since wikipedia is a place to help people research things they did not know, rather than read things they already do know, then it is highly beneficial to have an article on Ansalon on it for those that would need more information but would have no access to the out-of-print dead-tree stock material in which is was first presented and appears in. I think it better to have its own article, rather than constantly merge to DragonLance and split back out later, or trim to where there is no context on the subject matter. Having passed 2 of 3 of the three pronged test for fiction, then what more do you want to prove notability? Some global world shaking event where Ansalon, a ictional conteninet in a fictional world, in a fictional universe, is the cause or resolution to this world shaking event that makes every woman-child known the name? shadzar-talk 00:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

• Wow. Well done, Shadzar. Well done. -Drilnoth (talk) 02:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

• Notability is not in evidence. The statement that "Ansalon is the primary setting for the Dragonlance Saga" is not supported by any citation. I am restoring the cleanup templates.--Gavin Collins (talk) 09:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• The statement "Ansalon is the primary setting for the Dragonlance Saga" is not supported directly by the article, but it can easily be determined to be correct based on the sheer number of fan site and messageboard references that can be found in about 5 minutes of Google searching. That being said, I will not remove the {{notability}} template until the article has been improved.
• I have, however, removed the {{context}} tag, because the first sentence clearly establishes Ansalon as a fictional continent. -Drilnoth (talk) 13:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• The opening statements do not provide any relaible real-world context, since it merely establishes its fictional location within a fictional universe, and goes on to include orginal research ("Ansalon is the primary setting for the Dragonlance Saga...As such, much more is known about Ansalon than is known about the other major continent of Krynn, Taladas. In fact, few Ansalonians in the game world know of the existence of Taladas.") or cites self-published sources that do not indicate the basis of their opinions ("Ansalon was used as the main setting of the popular DL series of modules"). This is one of the worst openings for a D&D article that I have ever read. I am trying not to assume bad faith, but I do not see how you can substatiate the removal of the {{context}} template. Please read WP:PCR and consider replacing the template if you are not going to make any improvent to the introduction.--Gavin Collins (talk) 14:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• WP:PCR says nothing about real-world context. The article as a whole needs real-world context (as indicated by the {{in-universe}} template, and original research is a referencing and notability problem, not a context problem. -Drilnoth (talk) 16:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• Have a look at the section entitled "Check your fiction". Your will see that a real-world perspective is vital to writing article introductions. --Gavin Collins (talk) 17:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• Ah, gotcha. I hadn't seen that (I had only really looked at the section that you had directly linked to). I can see about rewriting it in the next few days, although maybe you could give it a shot first. -Drilnoth (talk) 17:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Notability

If you are annoyed or upset by the notability template, just ignore them, rather than reverting them without justification. The template has been put here for good reason; the article does not cite any reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability and until it does, the template should remain. Note that Ansalon is a fictional location within a fictional location (Krynn), neither of which provide any evidence of notability. --Gavin Collins (talk) 14:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

This is a notable subject which has yet to prove its notability, thus why I changed the template to {{[[Template:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]}}, although my changes were then reverted. BOZ (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)