Talk:Anthony A. Mitchell

Copyright issues

Most factual statements about a person, place, or event cannot be copyrighted, and quotes can never be copyrighted. While the obituary as a whole is copyrighted, the factual information contained in it can be re-used without infringement. I could not, for instance, write "Bill Smith was born on December 12th, 1953 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin" and copyright it, preventing anyone else from publishing his birthdate and place of birth. - Ken keisel (talk) 23:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

The version that you have introduced is nearly identical to the version that I blanked, which contained passages lifted verbatim from the Post's obituary, differing mostly just in order. Diff. I strongly suggest that you review the copyright policy pages to which you've been directed on your Talk page, and try to find a way to restate this article in your own words, and not those of the Post. JohnInDC (talk) 00:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

"March" vs. "anthem"

The sources report that Mitchell's march was honored as DC's official "march". Remarkably enough, DC also has an official "anthem", as noted in these two Post sources, one and two. (The former article is in fact one of the two Post sources to note the District's recognition of the "march".) It's a small point, but it's good to employ consistent and correct terminology. JohnInDC (talk) 14:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Weekly and daily concerts

From the early 1930s until the early 1970s the band performed a concert every Monday night on a stage on the east side of the Capital building. The different sections of the band also rotated to perform daily concerts at the same location. - Ken keisel (talk) 19:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

This source says, weekly: http://www.navyband.navy.mil/History.shtml, with no mention of daily concerts. "Daily" concerts, as well as the assertion that Mitchell in fact conducted them, remains unsourced. Also, are you intending to integrate the references in the reintroduced material into the rest of the article? Right now we have the same reference cited to in two different ways and it's a bit of a hash. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 20:20, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I had to go to two different sources to cover all the concerts. The weekly concerts are mentioned in the obituary, and the daily concerts on the album notes for the band's 1963 RCA/Victor recording (and confirmed in a personal conversation with a band member from this era). I had the references nice and clean before, but they were all erased. I will work on restoring them to a cleaner form tomorrow when I have more time. - Ken keisel (talk) 00:08, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Given that the only on-line sources (in particular the obituary on which you've based so much of your work) specifically describe only Mitchell's role in weekly concerts, it would be useful to know precisely what the liner notes say on that score. (As it were.) Your personal conversation, of course, is WP:OR. I think without something reliable and verifiable to contradict what the viewable sources say, it will have to go back to "weekly". Also, when you get to references, see what you can do to match your reference style to the one that was there before you re-entered the information. It takes a bit of learning but when you are done you have a single line in the Reference list serving as a reference for 8 or 10 notes, and it's much cleaner and neater than the identical reference repeated over and over in the listing. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 01:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

The liner notes simply say that the band gives "daily performances at the U.S. Capital". This matches a statement made to me by a band member who was there from 1958 until 1970. There is no contradiction. The band gave full weekly Monday night concerts, and smaller daily performances. The reference is properly cited in accordance with Wikipedia standards. Why are you approaching this as if there is a malicious intent? It's just a band giving concerts, for heaven's sake. I'm not familiar with your new style of listing references without placing them under "references". Perhaps you would care to enter the references in this manner? - Ken keisel (talk) 17:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

The article, as you have revised it, says that "Mitchell conducted the Navy Band's daily performances on the east steps of the U.S. Capitol". The sources do not say that he did. Indeed to the extent they say anything about what Mitchell did, they say he conducted "weekly" performances. Who knows who conducted these smaller daily events? It could have been - indeed was likely to have been - one of Mitchell's subordinates. It's a small point, but one that you've had reverted already once for lack of sourcing, and you're specifically reinserting it on the strength of one source that apparently doesn't say what you have the article saying, and on another source, personal to you, that is the quintessential example of original research. I don't think it's malicious, I think it's in derogation of Wikipedia sourcing policies and guidelines. But in any case I'm done with it. I've said my piece, the point is not properly sourced, but it's trivial and I'm not going to be sucked into a content dispute over it. As for the references, I'm not sure what you mean by a "new style". It's quite common, and the method is explained at References for Beginners if you'd like to try it yourself. JohnInDC (talk) 18:06, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea why you're making such a bit deal out of this weekly/daily concert issue. The band member I spoke with said that the band leader directed "just about all" the daily concerts. He was referring not just to Mitchell, but the fellow before him, and the one who followed him. If he missed a couple each month doing other things what's the big deal? Don't you have anything else to do? - Ken keisel (talk) 19:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh, goodness yes. It's time to move on. I'm only sorry I can't help you appreciate the essential issue, small as it may be here! JohnInDC (talk) 22:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

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