Talk:Anthony J. Hilder

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However, the Conspiracy nullified the decision, for its own evil purposes.

Tony Hilder info at SurfGuitar101 Forums

--Surfing Today (talk) 02:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC) SurfGuitar101 Forums » Surf Music General Discussion » Tony Hilder

http://surfguitar101.com/forums/topic/12756/?page=1 (Surfing Today (talk) 02:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC))

Tony Hilder info at other locations

Fair bit of mention here.

• https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Original_Surfaris
• GREG SHAW’S BOMP! (Germany - rororo 7659) 1982, From the table of contents: Dick Dale, Tony Hilder story, Surf in San Joaquim, Surf Discography, Brian Wilson, Sky Saxon and The Seeds, Roky Erickson, The Standells, The Knickerbockers, Leaves, Beau Brummels, Paul Revere and The Raiders, Punk Rock aus Mexico, Shangri-Las, Jackie DeShannon (with extensive discography), Flamin Groovies, Monkees, Jack Nitzsche (with extensive discography), Vanda/Young story, Alex Chilton, Acid punk, Die Aesthetik der psychedelischen Musik, die Bay Area (with extensive discography), Michigan (with extensive discography), Boston and New England (with extensive discography), Chicago (with extensive discography), Minnesota (with extensive discography), Fanzinography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surfing Today (talk • contribs) 14:30, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Rap song

I've noticed that he recorded a rap song that was released at sometime. I'm still looking for the release notes. If anyone has a copy of knows of one and can find some release info regarding date and catalogue then please reply here. Thanks. BTW: I found a site with just a touch of info AMERIKA ORDO AB CHAO — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surfing Today (talk • contribs) 04:12, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

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Personal details

Where was he born, when where did he go to school? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slatersteven (talk • contribs) 19:39, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Further reading moved from article

In case they can be used as references... --Ronz (talk) 17:00, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

• The Observer,21 May 1995, The Observer Page 117 Cults Militias
• The Owosso Argus-Press, August 9, 1971 - Page 13 "TV Host Clips a Right-Winger"
• The Village Voice, February 2, 1976 - Page 25 "Bozo and the Pink Pimp"
• Who Put the Bomp, No.14, Fall 1975 - Page 12 "The Tony Hilder Story" by John Blair & Bill Smart
• Los Angeles Free Press, August 4, 1972 Part Two, Pages 6 to 8. article: "Free Rightist Interview"

Disputed content related to Hilder's viewpoints

Hilder has appeared on television to discuss his views. One such was an interview in the early 1970s on Kaiser Broadcasting's Lou Gordon show. In the past, Hilder has been vocal about Communism, and has supported Ronald Reagan. In a 1972 interview with the Los Angeles Free Press, Hilder stated he was no longer a republican and identified himself as a libertarian. He has been described as favorite fact finder for many conspiracy theorists.

References

As I've tried to communicate at User_talk:Karl_Twist#Anthony_J._Hilder, this appears to be simply more of the problems that have made this article extraordinarily poor.

WP:NOTEVERYTHING says, Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful. A Wikipedia article should not be a complete exposition of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject. Verifiable and sourced statements should be treated with appropriate weight.

I think it would be best to rewrite the article completely from Hilder's notability, or work to expand upon his notability before getting into disputes about minutiae. --Ronz (talk) 15:56, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

• Reply to above, incorrect statement "simply more of the problems". The problems that existed before don't exist now except for the fact that the article needs extensive work. Yes I accept the blame in getting carried away and expanding on it. But, you're not being accurate. All I am doing since the article was trimmed to a better size was put in some info (backed up by credible refs) to give an outline of his political stance. You have not helped at all. Karl Twist (talk) 10:20, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

We need consensus for inclusion of the content. Complaining about me makes it appear you don't have any policy-based rationale for including the material.

Let me get the discussion back on track:

I've removed the "favorite fact finder" content completely. Without context from a better source, I don't think it belongs. (The url redirects, which is another problem.) The source is a puff piece covering a convention. The content within the ref gives no context beyond that he was a controversial speaker at the convention the previous year and was a special guest the following year, available for interviews and discussions.

As for the Lou Gordon show, I don't know why any mention is deserved. I've reworded it around the most noteworthy aspect from he reference, that he was ejected from the show. --Ronz (talk) 16:35, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Please don't restore the "favorite fact finder" bit again without consensus. --Ronz (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Jstor stuff to access to help improve

"They're out to Get Us": Another Look at Our Paranoid Tradition - JStor

by B McArthur - ‎1995 - ‎Cited by 17 - ‎Related articles Page 1 ..... On his syndicated TV show, "Millennium 2000," Anthony Hilder warns ... pounding these ideas have been sold in campus newspapers at such.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/494529

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Journal Article

"They're out to Get Us": Another Look at Our Paranoid Tradition

Benjamin McArthur

The History Teacher, Vol. 29, No. 1 (Nov., 1995), pp. 37-50

...of the millennium has predictably evoked its own conspiratorial twists, especially among Christian fundamentalists. On his syndicated TV show, "Millennium 2000," Anthony Hilder warns of an "oligarchy of evil that controls the country." Hilder' s is just one part of a potpourri of books, seminars, and tapes that mix biblical...

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Journal Article

Benjamin McArthur

Reviews in American History, Vol. 24, No. 3 (Sep., 1996), pp. 369-382

...the year 2000 (or, more properly, 2001) cuts across a variety of cultists- from UFO believers to New Agers to conspiracy hounds such as Anthony Hilder and his syndicated TV show "Millennium 2000."' An even darker underside of millennial obsession showed its face in the person of David Koresh and his...

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Journal Article

Films of the year, 2008

James Naremore

Film Quarterly, Vol. 62, No. 4 (Summer 2009), pp. 20-33

...the strengths of the screenplay, adapted by of Anthony Hilder and the Revels. The film’s greatest virtue, Reichardt and Jon Raymond from a story by Raymond, is that however, is its uncompromised toughness and willingness to it brings Wendy into contact with a larger community in pov- let its subjects act...

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Book Chapter

Mainstreaming Conspiracism (pp. 232-260)

From: Enemies Within: The Culture of Conspiracy in Modern America

Robert Alan Goldberg

Yale University Press (2001)

...about unnecessary secrecy . . . and its about the New World Order.” Follow-up speaker Anthony Hilder closed the circle. Federal agents had masterminded the Oklahoma City bombing to complete the trilogy of terrorism that included Ruby Ridge and Waco. Ac- cused bomber Timothy McVeigh was as innocent as Lee Harvey...

• https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Anthony+Hilder%22&filter=
• https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Anthony+Hilder%22

These might give some help to improve the article.
Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 13:49, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

TIVO as a publisher for ALLMUSIC

Is TIVO really an RS for a BLP. AllMUSIC is a TIVO enterprise and they make clear in their FAQ that all content comes directly from TIVO and can not be edited by ALLMUSIC. As far as I can tell TIVO has neither the expertise nor the publishing safeguard necessary to be used as an RS on a BLP. Am I missing some part of TIVO that does professional publishing?AlmostFrancis (talk) 05:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC) On a similar not it looks like Discogs is user generated. My understanding is that we remove user generated content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlmostFrancis (talk • contribs) 06:20, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Unreferenced content

Now that user generated content has been removed there is a whole lot of unreferenced material. I'll start removing it tommorow unless there is a plan for adding references. AlmostFrancis (talk) 05:26, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I think adding citation needed or refimprove tags for the sections would be more appropriate, the tags give people time to find sources before deleting. Hzh (talk) 12:20, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Some Tony Hilder music info

• Archive.org: Tony Hilder. Note the race car Tony Hilder is a different person.
• Audium Capsule 1
  Karl Twist (talk) 12:46, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Improve article with content from here

Political etc

• The Observer, 21 May 1995, The Observer 21 May 1995, The Observer Page 117 Cults Militias
• The Times-News, March 7, 1971 - Farm Terrorism Seen
• The Owosso Argus-Press, August 9, 1971 - Page 13 "TV Host Clips a Right-Winger"
• The Village Voice, February 2, 1976 - Page 25 "Bozo and the Pink Pimp"
• Arizona Republic, February 10, 1988 - Page 88 Chandler attack linked to 'Real-Estate Rapist'
• The Spotlight, March 1, 1999 - Page 5 Hilder debates Kahlid
• Chronicles, February 01, 1996 - The Populist Rainbow By Jesse Walker -
  "It is June 1994, and Anthony Hilder is attending a Southern California gathering called "The New World Order." Two overhead projectors beam book-covers alleging Masonic conspiracies onto the walls ....."
  The rest can be read below
  Date: Thursday, November 27, 1997 2:14:30 PM
  From: Norio Hayakawa (Groom...@aol.com)
  Subj: Who is Anthony Hilder?

  It is June, 1994, and Anthony Hilder is attending a Southern California gathering called "The New World Order". Two overhead projectors beam book-covers alleging Masonic conspiracies onto the walls. Hilder, white and middle-aged, is the host of two syndicated talk-radio shows, RADIO FREE AMERICA and RADIO FREE WORLD. He has brought tapes to sell to other attendees, ...... "
  THE POPULIST RAINBOW - Black Nationalists and the Militia Movement, by Jesse Walker
  Karl Twist (talk) 12:00, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Music

• Who Put the Bomp, No.14, Fall 1975 - Page 12 - 13 "The Tony Hilder Story"
• Surfin' Guitars: Instrumental Surf Bands of the Sixties - Surfin' Pages 50, 52, 149, 150, 151, 210, 212, 213, 215, 227, 228, 259, 260, 261, 298, 299
• Archive - Some surf albums by Hilder
  And there's mentions in other surf books etc
  12:40, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Karl Twist (talk) 15:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for this list. Additionally, all content like he's mentioned in books such as... should be removed from the article and the references could be added to this list. --Ronz (talk) 16:02, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I've refined it somewhat so there's just one book mentioned and the refs. Below is possibly a labor of love by Eddie Ugata of Japanese surf band The El Caminos who have recorded for a modern version of the Del-Fi label. Three pages of it. He's allegedly a leading authority in Japan on 1960s Surf Music. Of course that's not all of Hilder's output but it gives an idea of what he was pumping out. I didn't have any idea that his productions etc, were on some of the other labels.

• Tony Hilder's work on Impact and other labels by Eddie Ugata of the El Caminos

Karl Twist (talk) 11:41, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Tender Records

Tender Records was owned by George Motola. Rock on: The solid gold years (P 560). According too a couple of sources incl Rockin' Steve of 45 RPM, Hilder headed Tender Records for a while. He replaced Motola. Probably have too get a better ref than this one.

Karl Twist (talk) 09:10, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

By Melissa Balmain

Style Invitational Week 1369: Shoot some oops — jokes about
typos
$#%^ auto-correct and more. Plus winning obit poems for ex-people (and critters) of
2019.

Anthony Hilder (1935-2019),
propagator of conspiracy theories:
After pushing a series
Of sinister, snazzy,
Surprising pet theories,
He’s left us … or has he? (Melissa Balmain)

Washington Post Style, January 30
Invitational Week 1369: Shoot some oops — jokes about typos
$#%^ auto-correct and more. Plus winning obit poems for ex-people (and critters) of 2019. By Pay Myers

Karl Twist (talk) 09:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)