Talk:Anthony Newley

Copyright Violations

Most of the content of this article violates copyright. Much of it is blatantly plagiarized word for word from Anthony Newley's All Music Guide biography - (DanAbnrml9, 5 June 2007)

--Dannyvocal (talk) 03:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)I read this article but removed a line claiming Newley's Cockney accent and lyrics could even be said to have influenced punk rock some twenty years later. That seems somewhat of an exaggeration, and I think that statement should be omitted until there is some evidence for it. The rest seems okay, in my opinion.

I gotta say, some of this sounds blatantly ridiculous. "He is vastly underrated, his short career as a pop crooner for which many people remember him, doesn't even begin to tell the story of his genius". Come on... Even if that tripe was true, it's just someone's opinion anyway and shouldn't be in an encyclopedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.140.98 (talk) 15:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

References

General style & quality

This page is generally written using a subjective, informal style that's inappropriate. It comes off as biased and amateurish.

For example: He is vastly underrated, his short career as a pop crooner for which many people remember him, doesn't even begin to tell the story of his genius. Apart from the fact that the punctuation's bad, the style is heavily subjective.

And: He also wrote and sang a hilarious novelty Christmas song called "Santa Claus is Elvis". And there is a notorious album of spoken poetry which has Newley appearing in the nude on the sleeve with a similarly-attired young model. Like much of the section on Newley's discography, this is a random collection of trivia designed to amuse rather than inform.

Event better: Several sources, including friends of Newley, attest to his being of Jewish ancestry, but the Bardsley biography makes no mention of this. He was, however, undisputedly left-handed. I guess this is either an in-joke or just plain chaotic.

Not a fan of Newley myself so I'm not really well-placed to make corrections. However given the overall quality of the article it's probably best to edit it right down to the facts and then start to re-build it from there.

Sleepinc (talk) 10:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I've got to agree with all that's been said here. A lot of this article seems to be based on opinion. The reference to the Garth Bardsley biography would surely be better simply noted as a reference without such comments as "which was a shock to his fans" which really is neither here nor there from a biographical point of view.

Maybe it would be better simply stating that Garth Bardsley wrote a biography or even just referencing the bio as a number at the end? I'm not even sure that the comments which come after the sentence on Bardsley actually COME from the biography as it's very ambiguously written. --Aloysiusreader (talk) 10:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I would propose editing it down to this :

Newley was married to Ann Lynn from 1956 to 1963, but the marriage ended in divorce. A son, Simon, was born to them but died in infancy from a congenital infirmity. He then was married to the actress Joan Collins from 1963 to 1971. The couple had two children, Tara Newley and Sacha Newley. Tara became a broadcaster in England and Sacha is a renowned portrait artist based in New York and represented by four paintings in the National Portrait Gallery (United States) in Washington, D.C.. Newley's third wife was former air hostess Dareth Rich, and they also had two children, Shelby and Christopher. In an episode of Angela and Friends (Sky One) [8] Tara Newley also mentioned another sister, a third living daughter of Newley's. [9]

Newley had been raised by his mother Grace, and, from the age of eight onward, by his stepfather, Ronald Gardner. Gardner moved to Beverly Hills working as a chauffeur. Newley searched, with the help of a detective, for his biological father, George Kirby and effected a reunion. Newley died on 14 April 1999, in Jensen Beach, Florida, from renal cancer at the age of 67. He passed away in the arms of his companion, the designer Gina Fratini.[10] He was survived by his five children, a granddaughter Miel, and his mother Grace, then aged 96, who has subsequently died. Since then two more grandchildren have been born: Weston (Tara's second child) and Ava Grace (Sacha's first, with his wife Angela Tassoni).

Newley's life is the subject of a biography by Garth Bardsley called Stop the World (London: Oberon, 2003). In 2007 the actress Anneke Wills published a memoir that details her involvement with Newley just before he took up with Collins, producing a daughter named Polly who perished in a car accident.

To me anyway, that seems more factual and less full of opinion. It gets away from so and so 'ran off with' and other such emotive comments. I've left everything that I know to be factually true and removed the speculative comments or those which seem to be pure conjecture. --Aloysiusreader (talk) 10:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

In the spirit of improving the accuracy of the article - I interviewed the "third living daughter" who is referred to in the Personal Life section at the end of last year for a documentary (unconnected to Anthony Newley) and her name is Maia. I don't know whether you need to be a member or an admin to alter the article so I'm putting it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.248.164 (talk) 08:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.28.25 (talk)

Bi/Jewish/left-handed

"Although Newley alluded to some degree of bisexual activity in the kinky 60s in his epic autobiographical film 'Merkin', the allegation in the Bardsley biography that he had been "kept" by an older man while he struggled to restart his career in the 1950s was a shock to his fans. Several sources, including friends of Newley, attest to his being of Jewish ancestry, but the Bardsley biography makes no mention of this. He was, however, undisputedly left-handed."

Left-handed despite being Jewish? Despite being bisexual? Despite not being believed to be bisexual? Is this a half-joke, a case of bad writing or what?

Irish accent in Dr Doolitle

Not bad for a Cockney, but you can tell he's trying too hard :) Grover cleveland (talk) 04:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

His name

There seems to be come confusion in the article as to whether he was Anthony George Newley or George Anthony Newley, with the leader and infobox giving different versions. I've corrected it to Anthony George Newley as the site which is apparently officially recognised by his family says Anthony George Newley. Can someone check it out though? TheRetroGuy (talk) 11:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Register of Births Marriages and Deaths gives: Newley, Anthony; Hackney; Vol 1b page 633 ; December Qtr 1931 JMcC (talk) 19:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm reading the Biography now and apparently the mother, known as Gracie or Amazing Grace, wanted very much to name him George Anthony Newley after his biological but very married father. her family would have NONE of it and her family exercised a great amount of influence over her. As far as I can tell from the book, the George part was never official, only a wish by Gracie who continued her affair with Kirby and got pregnant with a full sibling but was convinced by Kirby to have a back alley abortion for which he paid and arranged. I Only just checked the book out of the Los Angeles Central library that has two more copies so if any one else here wants to go down and grab one for a read, they have it. I bet many larger Library susytems do. When I finsih, I'll try and add in-line Citations to the Biography about this and other issues. So far, there is NO mention of him being Bisexual or Jewish in any way. the Merkin film mentioned in above comments is only based on Newley's life and certainly not a documentary. it's a work of fiction run through his creative process to make it all look more dramatic and shocking. he was, apparently, a great embellisher of stories, so if I can find a reliable source, I'll deal with that too.LiPollis (talk) 00:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

BTw, I have gotten to the part about his purported bisexuality and it appeared to be nothing that he was ashamed of - just a close friendship with benefits type of thing. If the Biogrpahy gives any info at all, it's mostly about how VERY much sex this man was having with anyone of any gender it seems, but that his primary identification was as a heterosexual man with no embarrassment about having slept with a few men. I'm not sure if that makes him officially Bisexual or simply Omnisexual. One gets the impression that if the person was attarctive and willing, Mr. Newley as a younger man would shag that person regardless of gender but thathe mostly went after waif type girls and women.LiPollis (talk) 05:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Her name

Sacha or Sasha? Rothorpe (talk) 14:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

It's Sacha (male) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.51.118 (talk) 10:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The birth name is Alexander, family nickname of Sacha always used instead of Alexander. --Aloysiusreader (talk) 14:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Brickman ???

"When he collaborated with Bricusse, the two men referred to themselves as the team of 'Brickman and Newburg', with Newburg concentrating mainly on the music and Brickman on the lyrics." Something must be wrong here. Even is they did refer to themselves as such (I have no idea if this is true or not), the last part should still use Bricusse's real name. John Lawrence (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

It should be cited as a quote- it's a quote from the Biography and incidentaly, there seems to be nothing other than Newley's often fanciful made-up statements to suggest there was anything at all Jewish about his mother's family. They just called eachother that playfully. I'm still reading the biogrpahy because it's rather dull in its execution given how interesting the subject was. The writer of the biography did have full cooperation from the family by virtue of having worked with Newley late in his life but the man was not a talented writer, in my humble opinion. it's tough slogging. LiPollis (talk) 05:36, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

No mention of first wife

Why? The article mentions his second, third and fourth wives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BuzzWeiser196 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

The Blitz

My father knew Anthony Newley, when they were both evacuated during the Blitz. They were in the Boys' Scouts together. Unfortunately, the article doesn't include Anthony Newley's time in the Scouts, when he was a kid.--Splashen (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

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There is no date for the photo in the article. It is unclear when it was taken or by whom to verify the authenticity of it. I'm therefore being WP:BOLD and removing the image. If another editor is clear which year it was taken then it could be restored. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 04:15, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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