Talk:Anti-antisemitism in Germany

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The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 17:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that although the vast majority of violence against Jews in Germany is committed by ethnic Germans, accusations of antisemitism focus on minorities? Source: "usually, with around 95% of them [antisemitic physical attacks] committed by right- wing (leaning) white German individuals"[1]; "public accusations of antisemitism are increasingly directed at two groups: (1) designated Others (Muslims and other racialized minorities who seldom engage in anti-Jewish hate crimes) and (2) public intellectuals who are for the most part white ethnic Germans (including Jews and Christians) who demonstrate solidarity with these minorities" [2]
  • ALT1: ... that one researcher found that nearly a third of the people cancelled over antisemitism allegations in Germany have been Jews? Source: In addition to the source cited in the article, it can be verified here: "According to the researcher Emily Dische-Becker, almost a third of those cancelled in Germany for their supposed antisemitism have been Jews."
  • ALT2: ... that Eyal Weizman said that descendants of Nazi perpetrators "who murdered our families ... now dare to tell us that we are antisemitic"? Source: numerous
  • ALT3: ... that Hannah Arendt and Albert Einstein might have been banned from speaking in German public institutions because of antisemitism rules? Source: https://jewishcurrents.org/the-strange-logic-of-germanys-antisemitism-bureaucrats
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mehmet Şerif Fırat

Created by Jayen466 (talk) and Buidhe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 250 past nominations.

(t · c) buidhe 05:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC).

• All hooks look very good to me and the article itself is high quality. It meets the size requirements without any copyright violations. The nomination is timely. The hooks appear in the cited sources; I do not have familiarity with them to be able to comment on reliability but I trust the nominator to know their stuff about this subject matter. G2G--NØ 11:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Third or quarter?

@Buidhe, is the number of Jews as a proportion of people cancelled over antisemitism allegations a third or a quarter? The DYK says third, but the article says quarter.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 14:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Vice regent, as you can see in this diff, Jayen466 changed the estimate to refer to a different source that provides a different value. I have no opinion which is better, but the hook should match the article. (t · c) buidhe 00:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and added the other figure. Both figures are attributed so we don't violate NPOV and the attribution explains the difference.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 00:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Both passages are ultimately based on statements by Dische-Becker; one is specifically about 2023 data collected by the Diaspora Alliance (Dische-Becker heads the German branch of it), the other is a more general statement she has made about "recent years". I have now made that explicit in the text. For reference, please find the relevant source texts below.

Deutsche Welle says:

• Similar warnings have been coming from Diaspora Alliance, a Jewish-led international organization dedicated to challenging the instrumentalization of antisemitism and to fighting what they identify as genuine antisemitism. Diaspora Alliance is currently compiling a list of Germany's cases of censorship or deplatforming related to claims of antisemitism. Their data, which should be made available online in 2025, not only shows that Palestinians and the broader community of Muslims and/or Arabs have been the most directly affected by Germany's particular stance, but also that a highly disproportionate number of Jews have been affected. Among the 84 cases of deplatforming or event cancellations documented by Diaspora Alliance in 2023, Jewish individuals or groups including Jews were targeted in 25% of the incidents. This statistic was confirmed to DW by Emily Dische-Becker, director of the German branch of the organization. As a caveat, she pointed out that being a Jewish-led organization, they are presumably more directly informed of cases affecting Jewish people. Jews make up less than 1% of the population in Germany.

The Guardian says:

• Germany has proscribed many criticisms of Israel (such as describing its treatment of Palestinians as “apartheid”) and banned many expressions of solidarity with the Palestinian cause. The main targets have been Muslims, but Jewish supporters of Palestinian rights have also been deplatformed and arrested. According to the researcher Emily Dische-Becker, almost a third of those cancelled in Germany for their supposed antisemitism have been Jews. There is, as the Israeli-born architect and academic Eyal Weizman has acidly put it, a certain irony in “being lectured [on how to be properly Jewish] by the children and grandchildren of the perpetrators who murdered our families and who now dare to tell us that we are antisemitic”.

The Guardian cites the source we were citing, a podcast that is over two hours long and unfortunately does not come with a transcript. If either of you know the precise time code, that would be great; for now I have added the Guardian article as a second reference that is more accessible for readers wanting to see the underlying source. Best, Andreas JN466 08:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)