Talk:Anti-gay purges in Chechnya/Archive 3

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Why the title change?

Pacificgov, as per discussion above, a consensus was reached to move this article to Anti-gay purges in Chechnya. You have now twice moved this article to Gay concentration camps in Chechnya. At this point, you appear to be edit-warring against consensus. Please come and discuss at Talk page before making further changes. Also @Neutrality:. Bondegezou (talk) 11:52, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Bondegezou. Pacificgov, as Bondegezou noted above, please don't move this article again without consensus. There was a move discussion earlier (see above) that settled on "Anti-gay purges in Chechnya" as the best title (which makes sense, as the purges included a variety of human rights abuses: arbitrary arrest and detention, torture, forced disappearances, murder, abduction for ransom, etc.). Please also stop disparaging other editors, as you've done in edit summaries twice now, in violation of the encyclopedia's conduct policies. Neutrality^talk 14:17, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Information was provided to us at Amnesty International that we may have been misrepresented. There are concentration camps in Chechnya. If Wikipedia refuses to have a page dedicated to this matter - we will collaboratively work to provide whatever resources, references and first source documentation necessary for a complete and seperate page dedicated to the Gay concentration camps in Chechnya. Our Sr. Director has reached out directly to her contact with the Wikimedia Org and they informed us that editor independence is a standard and since consensus was already reach on this article to revert the name back. Our team was also ensured that community leaders will investigate the homophobic editors who refuse to dedicate a page to Gay concentration camps in Chechnya. These editors have based their claims from quotes by our organization, which does not accurately represent our stance nor the opinion of other NGOs worldwide but especially in the greater Russian area. Pacificgov (talk) 01:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@Pacificgov:. If you are actually interested, get working! Any information you can provide with reliable references as to the number and location places where people are being held/killed, their opening/closings, who are operating them, how many deaths there have been, would be useful to the article. You're Wikipedia:Disruptive editing and Incivility are not and reflect poorly on the organization you purport to represent. Stop with the name-calling, claims of misrepresentation, and threats. You are welcome to make you points here in a clear concise matter. Djflem (talk) 06:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Here is what the article includes about the organization you purport to represent:

In April 2017 Amnesty International called for a prompt investigation and intervention, and more than 130,000 people have signed a petition started by the organization in opposition to alleged human rights violations. and the sources used to support it:

"Document". Retrieved 16 April 2017.

"Stop abducting and killing gay men in Chechnya". Amnesty International. Retrieved 2017-04-13. Djflem (talk) 07:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Pacificgov, Wikipedia does have a page dedicated to the matter: it's this one. Because it covers related issues as well, the community decided to give it a broader title. I cannot see anything homophobic in having the article titled "Anti-gay purges" rather than "Gay concentration camps". Help in expanding and improving the content of the article is always welcome. Accusing other editors of bad motives without good reason is not welcome, as per WP:AGF. You will be banned if you cannot show basic respect for other editors.

If you are editing as a representative of Amnesty, please follow WP:COI guidance. Bondegezou (talk) 08:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Gay leader?

Could it be that Ramzan Kadyrov, the Chechen leader, is actually Gay and the violence against gays is an overt act to deflect suspicions.... Look at him he certainly looks Gay to me. Anyone got any information or confirmational evidence please link here. HuttonIT (talk) 12:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

• @HuttonIT:. How do gay people look? Djflem (talk) 16:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

@Djflem My opinion and I will defend your right to your opinion too. HuttonIT (talk) 11:36, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

• @HuttonIT: Of course you have a right to an opinion. It was a question. Djflem (talk) 20:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

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