Talk:Aodhán Ó Ríordáin

PoV editing

I am removing "In April 2015, the new Minister of State for Drugs Strategy admitted he tried drugs when on holiday in Amsterdam." What the reference actually says is "Mr Ó Ríordáin said he had tried drugs once in Amsterdam as a student but had not taken any illegal drugs." However, the way Ruy costa has written this, it would appear as if Ó Ríordáin was lighting up spliffs or snorting coke since his appointment, last month. In reality, it was cannabis, and would presumably have been nearly 20 years ago.

As to relevance - we have British ministers and Home Secretaries and American Presidents, Senators and Governors, (some involved in the War on Drugs, no less!) whose articles don't mention their drug use. A student using legal drugs nearly 20 years ago - not encyclopedic, not notable.

Your (po-faced) PoV is showing. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Bastun thinks for some reason information about the Minister for responsibility for Drug Policy where is stated he had once taken drugs is not relevant! and he censors it, perhaps due to his own PoV. The minister himself volunteered the information and it may be seen as informing his position, it was deemed newsworthy that it featured in the Irish media in a number of publications.

If the good user Bastun wishes to add additional information such as how long ago it was or what substance it was he should furnish it to expand the article. Ruy costa (talk) 17:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Bastun -"A student using legal drugs nearly 20 years ago is not encyclopedic or notable". Snappy (talk) 16:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

PoV editing October 2015

Anon IP editor 89.101.77.151, previously describing a clarification posted on O'Riordain's blog covered by one newspaper in one article as a "major controversy", says "This individual has been involved in numerous controversies, which need to be noted on Wikipedia, in order to provide as full and accurate information as possible to the reader, in accordance with Wikipedia's goals and aims." Yes, WP should describe major controversies. It should not describe non-events. Major controversies are covered by multiple media outlets, go viral on social media, are things "everyone" has heard of. O'Riordáin being subject to a hidden tape where he talks about Labour policy on abortion meets those criteria, and is worthy of inclusion. Clarifying something on his blog about the "Clontarf Report" which gets one hit on Google News, or deleting a tweet about the origin of chicken? Not so much. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:21, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Revision

I found this article oddly underlinked compared with standard Wikipedia practice, but also with some odd and repetitious passages, one of which was clearly out-of-date information - so I've tried to sort out both. I hope it meets with everyone's approval. Harfarhs (talk) 12:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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Irish expat news publication Irish Central

Who says that this is not a reliable source? Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Nobody? Why? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spleodrach: thinks so. See diff here. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

No, I didn't say that. Spleodrach (talk) 23:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spleodrach: Please then, expand on the reasons for your deletion in the above diff. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

It is an opinion piece, and violates WP:NPOV. Spleodrach (talk) 20:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spleodrach: What's your beef with opinion pieces? NPOV says, "..biased sources are not inherently disallowed based on bias alone". Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:10, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't have any beef. What's your beef with pinging me? I'm obviously watching this page, kindly stop it. Why are you asking these questions when user:ser! made a similar edit before me to this article, yet they go unpinged and unquestioned? Spleodrach (talk) 22:31, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Because you reverted my reversion of @Ser!:. That means that you agree with his/her rationale. So please, both editors, explain why the text from "Irish expat news publication" may not appear in this article. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:29, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure. My reason for not including this in the page was because it was an op-ed in an un-notable source (which lacks even its own article and had an article created here deleted, for reference!), and not by a notable journalist either, and is thus not worth mentioning in this page. We don't need to keep track of every piece of criticism someone receives in the editorial column of every website. If the consensus overrules me (which it doesn't seem to right now) on including this, by all means fire ahead, but I sincerely doubt it's worth mentioning here. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 19:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Much clearer. If only Spleodrach had written the same as his first answer, this dance around the table would have been unnecessary. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

If only you hadn't mis-read "not-notable op-ed" as "not a reliable source". Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Exactly! Spleodrach (talk) 21:56, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Marital status

A series of IP editors and others (AodhanORiordain) keep removing the fact that the subject is married to Áine Kerr, stating he's divorced. Problem is, there's a reliable source for the marriage, none for a divorce. We need a WP:RS for that to be recorded. Twitter and Instagram are not reliable sources for this (WP:SPS). If there's anything else publicly available that backs this up, please let us know. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I was just about to open a talk section. Given there’s a post from a verified account of one of the parties in this marriage referencing divorce, could we consider erring on the side of caution? I’m aware of WP:ABOUTSELF and the fact it concerns another person but if one person in a marriage is divorced, as this post says, both are divorced - and given the situations around divorce especially where there’s a child involved, you’ll likely not get a source on this for a while. If not, could we find a way to phrase it given there’s doubts as to the marriage still being ongoing? ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 17:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Where's the post? Or do you mean the edit by the account claiming to be Aodhán Ó Ríordáin? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

This Instagram one where Kerr mentions being divorced - also worth noting the “single mammy” mention in the bio on there and on Twitter. I reckon all that is reason enough to believe they’re no longer married. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 17:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

We can't use an instagram post as a reliable source. Chances are that Ó Ríordáin and Kerr are divorced but we still need a reliable source for it. Spleodrach (talk) 20:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I have changed it to "He married Áine Kerr in 2010" with a reference, which is a slight improvement until such time as we find a source for a divorce. Theroadislong (talk) 20:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Probably the best we can do for the moment. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Marital status (again)

A new user @Zarammk: has once again removed the info about Áine Kerr. The source provided is The Sun but per WP:DEPSOURCES, The Sun is not considered a reliable source for Wikipedia. Also, the source does not mention a divorce but that Ó Ríordáin has had a child with his current partner. I had added a reference for this from Ó Ríordáin's personal Twitter/X page. I do not see any reliable reference for a divorce but I think we can at least assume that Ó Ríordáin and Kerr are separated, and I have put this in the infobox. Spleodrach (talk) 15:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)