Talk:Aqil Agha

Robinson-refs

I have removed:

• Robinson, Edward; Smith, Eli (1841). Biblical Researches in Palestine, Mount Sinai and Arabia Petraea: A Journal of Travels in the year 1838. Vol. 2. Boston: Crocker & Brewster. (p. 273ff)

...as I do not think it is about *this* Aqil Agha, But I´ll keep it here for future ref. Huldra (talk) 22:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Possible further sources

• Slaiman Al-Mussa ( died 2008): Souwar Min Al-Boutolat ),
• Othman Al-Tabbah (a Gazan historian, originally from Syria, who died in 1950): Ithaaf Al-A'iza Fi Tarikh Gaza.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Aqil Agha/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cerebellum (talk · contribs) 22:15, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello! I will be reviewing this article. --Cerebellum (talk) 22:15, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

All right, great job on this! Very interesting read. I messed with the prose a little bit, but feel free to revert if you don't like my changes. I am going to pass as a GA, and below I've left you a few comments for further improvement.

• The lead says "surname sometimes spelled Aga", but I don't think Agha is a surname; it seems to be a title, see Agha (Ottoman Empire), so that sentence should be changed to say "title." Maybe you could link to the page on the title as well.
• We should include the Arabic version of his name, per WP:UEIA. The Arabic wikipedia doesn't have an article on him so I'm not exactly sure how to spell his name, but I think it is عقيل آغا الحاسي (based on this).
• When you talk about the dowry for Aqil's daughter, what is PT?
• Battle of Hattin section: When you say 'Aqil was reassigned to his powerful post in the region in 1855, what post do you mean? His post as a commander of irregulars?
• Seems like something is wrong with the first paragraph of the Battle of Hattin section, it doesn't have a period after Karak and is followed by a bulleted point.
• I think in the last paragraph, the sentence about being regarded in a positive light by modern-day sources and local tradition should have a reference. --Cerebellum (talk) 18:48, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

• @Cerebellum: Thank you for the review and the pass. I addressed the issues you listed above, except for the Arabic script, which I've requested from a fellow editor. --Al Ameer (talk) 18:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

David Roberts

@Huldra: I took it from: Baram, Uzi. “Images of the Holy Land: The David Roberts Paintings as Artifacts of 1830s Palestine” Historical Archaeology, vol. 41, no. 1, 2007, pp. 110

In Jerusalem, Aqiil Agha offered to guide Roberts to Jericho and the Dead Sea. Aqiil was one of several local leaders, over the Ottoman centuries, who sought to balance the competing interests of their kin, local administrators, the Ottomans, and the possibilities offered by Westerners (Lynch 1849; Zenner 1972). When Roberts asked about the offer to guide them, Aqiil replied that Muhammad 4Ali directed him to be accommodating to European visitors (Mancoff 1999:94). At the Jordan River, when Roberts painted Orthodox Christian pilgrims, he placed Aqiil in the foreground; at Jericho, Rob erts painted his guide's colorful tent.

Baram cites: Aqiili Agha: The Strongman in the Ethnic Relations of the Ottoman Galilee. Comparative Studies in Society andHistory 14(2): 169-188.

I realise Roberts' book itself says "While at Jerusalem, Mr. Roberts received much kindness and assistance from the then governor, Achmet Aga, whom he accompanied with above four thousand Christian pilgrims to Jericho and the river Jordan" and then immediately before the relevant plate says: "The principal object in the Engraving is the tent of the Governor, Achmet Aga, who invited the Artist to accompany him to the Jordan (April, 1839)."

So the question is did Roberts (or Brockedon and Croly) get the name wrong?

Onceinawhile (talk) 20:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Onceinawhile: Well, Robert's journal speaks about the "Governor of Jerusalem" link, and that was AFAIK never a title used by Aqil Agha (whose power-base was mostly in Galilee), however, that was a title used by Ahmad Agha Duzdar. Which is why I don't think the picture is of Aqil Agha's entourage. Of course, I could be wrong....Huldra (talk) 21:03, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

I suspect Mancoff 1999 got it wrong: it looks (by her publications) that she is an expert on art...not Palestinian history. But I would like to read Aqiili Agha: The Strongman in the Ethnic Relations of the Ottoman Galilee, and see what it says... Huldra (talk) 21:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

I am reading it on jstor now https://www.jstor.org/stable/177973

PS - [1] you might enjoy the amusing nature of Montefiore’s diary entry of Ahmed Agha. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:58, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

I couldn’t see mention of Roberts anywhere in the article. It does talk about the US (Lynch) expedition to Jericho and the Dead Sea, so I suspect Baram got mixed up. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:08, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Very nice addition to Ahmad Agha Duzdar :). Yeah, Aqil Agha is far better known than Ahmad Agha Duzdar, so I guess Baram just took the name known to him...Huldra (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2020 (UTC)