Talk:Ar-Ruʼays

Requested move 9 August 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is consensus against the proposed title. If anyone can think of a better one, feel free to propose it.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:53, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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Ar Ru'ays → Al Ruwais – 'Al Ruwais' is the more common spelling. Elspamo4 (talk) 06:31, 9 August 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. —usernamekiran(talk) 13:24, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

• @Elspamo4: "Ar Ru'ays" is the correct transcription of Arabic اَلرُّؤَيْس (note the hamza over the 'w'); it means "little head"; it is the -u-ay- diminutive of رؘأْس (ra's) = "head". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I was basing the request more off of search results rather than the transcription, as it seems to be spelled as Al Ruwais in Qatari media (eg Gulf Times & Qatar Museums), while at the same time I couldn't find any organizations spelling it as Ar Ru'ays in my short search. I will concede the request though since it is technically a correct spelling, and since there's a redirect from Al Ruwais. Elspamo4 (talk) 09:19, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Tempted to relist. It seems possible that the standard transcription of the name is at odds with the most common English usage, but that this English usage is rare enough to be not terribly helpful to the reader. I can find no applicable naming conventions. Probably we need one. Andrewa (talk) 22:05, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose The problem is that ar:الرويس is a common place name. The target should really be a dab page or redirect to the main Al Ruwais (Abu Dhabi). In ictu oculi (talk) 16:35, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

But having said Support alternative move to Al Ruwais (Qatar) per Govt of Qatar sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:49, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

@Anthony Appleyard: I think you might need to weigh in and close this or at least !vote, seem to be short of editors who can read Arabic. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:34, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

• @Elspamo4, Andrewa, and In ictu oculi: The Arabic word رؘأْس = "head" is correctly pronounced "ra's" with a glottal stop, but Arabic colloquial dialects often pronounce it "rās". Thus, people may well form its diminutive "little head" either as "ru'ays", or as "ruways", or in Egypt "ruwēs". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:59, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

But in terms of disambiguation, and English usage. The "Al Ruwais" in Qatar is not the best known of the various "Al Ruwais" is it? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:04, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose move as proposed. Too many uncertainties to make a call that this will improve Wikipedia. An alternative may be appropriate. I note also that content from the target was merged to this article although that doesn't seem to have been noted on either talk page, so we need to preserve both page histories. Andrewa (talk) 03:34, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

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