Talk:Arab Kingdom of Syria

Name

Somebody moved this page without any discussion and with a clear opposition several weeks months ago - should be restored back to original title "Arab Kingdom of Syria".Greyshark09 (talk) 15:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I restored the title. A move request could be opened if an editor believes "Kingdom of Syria" is the proper name. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:29, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Al-Ameer, for some reason the talk page still remains as "Talk:Kingdom of Syria". It is not moveable in a simple procedure.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:06, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't noticed, but I just fixed it. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Pre-Kingdom government question

If the kingdom was officially declared in March 1920, what do we call the government that existed prior to this declaration i.e. the government of Prime Minister Rida al-Rikabi and Emir Faisal? --Al Ameer (talk) 19:20, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

It did not exist before. It was governed by or on behalf of the Ottoman Empire. Don't ask me who. --Qualitatis (talk) 14:00, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

No, I mean what do we refer to the post-Ottoman government headed by monarch Emir Faisal and Prime Minister Rida al-Rikabi that governed in 1919? There was a British-backed Arab government in Damascus before the declaration of the kingdom in March 1920 but I don't know what to call it. "Pre-kingdom administration" perhaps? Obviously, we would need to refer to the sources, I just haven't had much luck there regarding this point. --Al Ameer (talk) 17:23, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't want to go into the details now, but I think that Feisal simply used the political vacuum between the Paris Peace Conference, 1919 and the Treaty of Sèvres. I think that the British would have allowed Feisal if they were not bound by the Sykes–Picot Agreement. So, there was a political vacuum, not a "Pre-kingdom administration". Most of the area was controlled by Great Britain, some by France. May be you can say that it was formally administered by the League of Nations between the end of WWI and the start of the Mandates. Or may be better, just occupied by Great Britain and France. --Qualitatis (talk) 11:33, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

The League of Nations may have had formal control over Damascus, but Faisal had some kind of de facto rule in the area. I'm referring to the cabinet of Rida al-Rikabi under Emir Faisal. The reason I ask is because I've been working on the Yusuf al-'Azma article and according to the sources, al-Azma was made Minister of War in Rikabi's cabinet in 1919. The kingdom wasn't declared until later, in March 1920, (Rikabi had resigned by December 1919 and was replaced by Hashim al-Atassi) so I was curious as to what term I should use to describe Faisal's government prior to the kingdom's declaration. There might not be a formal name for it. --Al Ameer (talk) 14:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Then, it were both governments under French and British occupation. Apparently the only difference is that Faisal was an Arab leader before the proclamation and a King after. The resemblance to the present Islamic State is amazing. The Turks (Bashar al-Assad) lost their territory, Western Powers took control (now from the air) and Arabs (IS) established a state and were (will be) kicked out after some time. In the mean time, the LoN (UN) is opportunistic and paralysed. --Qualitatis (talk) 12:34, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

As far as i'm aware, the territory was under the military occupation governments of UK and France. The preparations was the declaration of the Kingdom of Syria began in 1919, so it is possible some shadow "government" was appointed back then by Faisal, but its role was merely symbolic.GreyShark (dibra) 10:09, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Would just saying "Faisal's administration" make sense here (for pre-kingdom declaration)? --Al Ameer (talk) 01:09, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Would be a good neutral denotation, albeit without explaining its nature. Consider "the government established by Faisal in the areas occupied by GB and France. --Qualitatis (talk) 07:43, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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Dates

Faisal was proclaimed King under the British on 5 October 1918. This is 1.5 years before the start date of 8 March 1920 which we use in the article, which represents the date the Syrian Congress voted for Faisal and declared independence. So when did the “kingdom” technically begin - 1918 or 1920? Onceinawhile (talk) 21:31, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

"In May 1919, the French and British Prime Ministers met in Quai d’Orsay to decide between them their respective claims to territories or spheres of influence in the Middle East. The meeting decided that in return for a British guarantee of French control in Syria, the British would be given a mandate over Mosul and Palestine." This needs a source. I am not sure it was in May all of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakob Flygare (talk • contribs) 19:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)