Talk:Arabic hip hop

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Please DO NOT delete -> finally Detroit's own (A.M.A) all.mighty.ameer and honorable Pay.Roll DETROIT organization.of.pay.roll

all.mighty.ameer (A.M.A) and his honorable Pay.Roll Detroit <- section of this article ; This is accurate/factual information; We are registered users and have followed all procedures and criteria required. Thank You

It is not a matter of its accuracy, but its notability and relevancy in an encyclopedic article about Arabic hip hop. --mtz206 (talk) 18:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

For the time being, I've moved the mention of AMA from the paragraph that is dealing with rappers in Arabic countries to the list of other rappers. I formatted the information to fit that list, and removed the link to the website because Wikipedia is not a collection of links and that external link adds little insight this particular article. --mtz206 (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

(A.M.A) is not only an "Arab-American rapper" from DETROIT; but it also acurate to say he represents Beirut Lebanon (lebanese) musicians and artists. He lived and worked the lebanese underground music scene. All this information is factual and can be confirmed by doing a little research on the internet. For this article (Arabic hip hop) to acquire notability it must disclose this information. We ask with all due respect, that this article be changed and or reverted back with information on (A.M.A) all.mighty.ameer and his honorable Pay.Roll be shown.

Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 10011 (talk • contribs).

Again, please familiarize yourself with the notability guidelines. A brief mention of this artist might be appropriate, but your edits exceed the standard of relevant mention. There is little reason to puff up this artist over the other's mentioned in the article. Let's try to maintain balance and neutrality. --mtz206 (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, sounds fair. Now would it be o.k. to put an external link in the appropriate section of the article? This would give the audience an easier route to find out more about the artist if they so will.

• Question about the internal link all.mighty.ameer is that section where you would post "about" the artist???

again thank you for all your help, we hope to hear from you soon.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 10011 (talk • contribs).

No, it would not be appropriate to include a link to this one artist's webpage in this article. This article is meant to be about the genre Arabic hip hop, and not a place to provide links to one of your favorite artists. Another editor has already removed the link. Please refer to WP:EL for help with external links. Finally, please sign your comments with ~~~~. --mtz206 (talk) 20:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

External links

Please read WP:EL - external links should complement the content of the article, not promote individual artists. --mtz206 (talk) 14:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

DJ Abu Yousef

A Palestinian Jordanian named DJ Abu Yousef had some things out in the mid-1990s, I believe, predating some of the main Palestinian artists. Badagnani 07:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Abu yousif (ka3k b3ajweh ;) ) was the name of the of the song, i can't remember when it was but i think it was 92-93 (diffinately b4 94), however he had one hit song and then

i'm not sure that DAM was the real 1st group, they claim to be the first palistinian rap group not the first arab rap group ever.... its hard to know since most of these groups are underground --Histolo2 22:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think "Abu Yousef" was a name he took from his school bus driver. I have one of his songs on an Arab rap compilation from the 1990s. Badagnani 16:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Arab Diaspora

We need a section on hip-hop in the Arab Diaspora and sub-sections on groups from North America, Europe, and Australia. Possibly one on Latin America.--71.227.191.140 05:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Arabic hip hop & Middle Eastern hip hop

Could someone more knowledgeable on the subject explain how the articles Arabic hip hop and Middle Eastern hip hop actually differ? The definitions may mean different things, but the articles themselves seem to cover the same ground, and indeed in some places have exactly the same content. Should they be merged? --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 11:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I have now brought together both Middle Eastern music and Arabic music under one section in Arabic hip hop. It took considerable effirt but well worth it. I took the opportunity to reorganize the country sections in alphabetical order and create sections for Syria, Lybia, Somalia, Qatar etc so that contributors can add in certain materials. I know it is not perfect, but now the page is consoderably better and mor elogical to browse werldwayd (talk) 16:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

International / Other

isnt son of a refugee just a song by patriarch not another rap crew which it seems to imply? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.73.13 (talk) 20:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup

Removed large blobs of promotional text throughout the article. If it's unreferenced or doesn't have a wikilink, it probably shouldn't be included. Falcon8765 (talk) 03:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Media Project

Hi, my name is Nick and I am making some additions to this page over the next couple of weeks in conjunction with a wikiproject I'm part of. I am adding a history section that will be a little more general than what is listed underneath each regional description. I am also going to add a cultural references section to describe some of the topics and musical references that are utilized by artists in this genre. I welcome and additions, criticism, additional sources, reformatting, etc. that you all might provide. Amongst_no_roses (talk) 18:23, 14 November 2010 (EST)

Comments

Great job on the article so far. I like that you addressed numerous locales, including the Arabic hip hop coming out of France and the US, in addition to that of the Arab world. I also think you integrated classical influences of these artists (Fairuz and others), reflecting the classical popular music of the region and its importance, very well; it is often overlooked in discussions.

My only qualm is that the "Cultural References" heading seems a bit out of place and doesn't convey what I think is your intention. It might be more beneficial, for lack of a better title that encompasses the subheadings of "Musical Influences" and "Political and Social Influences," to simply make these sections main headings. Naj87 (talk) 22:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

comments

Some major and important contributions to the page have been added, and it is clearly written and sourced. A bibliography is a key component needed to improve this article. A few other subjects should be fleshed out. For example, the issue of gender -- are there female rappers? Do male rappers in this context deal with issues of love and sex and women as they do in other places? And the issue of audience -- who listens? how do they distribute their music? where do they perform? Finally, Joseph is not a spoken word poet (only). He wrote that poem decades ago and it has appeared in print. Radavis147 (talk) 17:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Re female rappers in Arabic - I have just become familiar with the work of the Moroccan rapper Soultana, and her group Tigresse Flow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelatmo (talk • contribs) 02:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Hip Hop in Arab Spring

Hi, my name is Caitlin and I am a student completing a project on Hip Hop in the Arab Spring as part of an Music in International Relations course. I am currently researching this musical genre, the artists, and its relevance in the Arab Spring movements across the region. I am also applying a first-hand understanding of the Arab Spring having spent 4 months studying and doing research in Tunisia, the starting point of the 2011 revolutions.

I would like to make contributions to this page and to the discussion of Arabic hip-hop in several places. First, there is room for discussion under censorship of the strict limitations on freedom of expression under authoritarian regimes. I would like to place hip-hop within this as a genre of music that contains messages of resistance and political contestation. I would also like to include comments on how hip-hop occupied a space in both encouraging the revolutionary movements and mobilization of political activists as well as acknowledging the musicians as contributing to resisting the state.

Additionally, I would like to add to the Tunisia section by including artists of influence during the Jasmine revolution. El General, in particular, was influential both for his music and as a result of his incarceration by the Ben-Ali regime. Depending on the scope of my research, I will also include artists of other nationalities.

Finally, I would like to continue the article's discussion of the relation between hip-hop and social media. Hip-hop is increasingly being shared through social networking outlets, making it a globalized music which spreads ideas and political messages quickly and effectively. As a result, many parallels can be drawn between the spread of recent productions Arabic hip-hop and the Arab Spring itself.

I welcome any feedback, suggestions, or constructive assistance as I continue this project!

cam0404 ([[User talk:cam0404|talk]) 23:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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