Talk:Arcadia Machine & Tool

AMT and "Ring of Fire" propaganda

The PBS Frontline claims about Arcadia Machine and Tool are without foundation and are not supported by any evidence. AMT made expensive stainless steel firearms, quite distinct from the cheap cast zinc framed handguns from Jennings, Raven, etc. AMT's only connection to any of these "Ring of Fire" companies was that it was located in southern California. The majority of its products were quality large-caliber handguns based on the US military M1911 design, and the only handgun it made that bore the slightest resemblance to the "Ring of Fire" companies' products was the .380 ACT "Backup" -- which was made of stainless steel (not zinc), retailed for $350 (many times the price of the Bryco, Jennings, Lorcin, etc) and was marketed to police officers.

The term "Ring of Fire" was a creation of Garen Wintermute, a partisan advocate of gun control, not the ATF. It is a pejorative politicized term that has no place in an encyclopedia. See, for example, [1] and Wintermute's own partisan and non-peer-reviewed [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.158.252 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 29 September 2017‎ (UTC)

But, the source says that AMT was included in the "Ring of Fire". Gotta go with the source, rather than personal opinion. Have reverted the change, restoring what the source says. Miguel Escopeta (talk) 21:24, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Additionally, their products, though they "looked cool", were notorious for quality and reliability problems, which is a big part of the reason they went out of business. Even though the Longslide was featured in The Terminator. Poor quality guns aren't just made from Zamac, for example Rohm made many of their larger guns from regular steel. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 14:19, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

The"source" is full of crap. "Ring of Fire" was a deliberately pejorative term created by a hyper-partisan gun control activist. A bullshit claim that was NOT supported by any objective evidence is not a valid citation. AMT's reputation is nowhere near as negative as is being claimed: used guns sell for more than their original retail price --- tsake a look on gunbroker.com, etc --- and were thought well-enough of that they continued in production by other companies after the demise of AMT. Claim removed as it is complete crap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.69.36 (talk) 05:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

So if a source is wrong you think its ok to use it anyway????? YOU need to be banned. Your credibility is now suspect on EVERYTHING you do on this already shaky source. 67.199.215.79 (talk) 20:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)