Talk:Architecture of the Paris Métro

Article name

I would like to suggest that we change the name of this page to "Architecture and Decoration of Paris metro stations." The current title is too close to "List of Stations of the Paris metro" and likely to cause confusion. Mole2 (talk) 05:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Unconvinced. "List of" is a specific Wikipedia naming convention, reserved for non-prose articles - which this isn't. I agree that the article is essentially about architecture and decoration, but then a station is a piece of architecture. If anyone can think of more to write about than architecture under the title "Stations", then let's put it in. Good work with the modifications, by the way. Rollo (talk) 10:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Rollo. Thanks for your comments. I'm still not in love with the current title of the article. As you suggest, if there is anything else to put under the title of "stations," then it would be more appropriate. But it seems to me as though this article, at least in its current form, is really about the distinctive architecture and aesthetic of the Paris subway system. In my opinion, the architecture of the Paris metro is distinctive enough to warrant this separate article. Note that the French version of this article, from which much of the original information is derived, is called "Aménagement des stations...". Let me know what you think. This is not criticism, just my own take on the current purpose of the article. --Mole2 (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure, but my point is that I see a need for an article entitled simply "Stations of...", as a complete version of the corresponding section of the Métro article. This article was an attempt at that. I divided it into sections about the different parts of an average Métro station (entrance, ticket hall, corridors, train hall), and each contains technical description and statistics as well as the inevitable stylistic detail. In short, let's write about "Bridges of Venice" before "Architecture and esthetics of the bridges of Venice". (Regarding the FR article, tautology is a speciality of the language of Molière.) So, what's missing? Let's add it. Rollo (talk) 09:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I have come round to your point of view. The article is now renamed "Architecture of the Paris Métro". Effort made to clear up confusion with the list article here and in the relevant section of Paris Métro. Rollo (talk) 11:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Rollo, okay! Thanks for a productive discussion on this topic. Do you think you can direct me to the Wikipedia instructions on uploading photos? I'm trying to illustrate some of the styles for which we do not yet have photos. Many thanks. --Mole2 (talk) 14:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Uploading_images. You need to go through a routine so that the moderators can check the picture is free-use and users can then locate it easily. The important bit is to give each file a descriptive name and to include appropriate tags (key words). Ideally the photos will be your own work, but an alternative option is to search Flickr.com for photos uploaded with Creative Commons licences, which can then be used if you respect the conditions mentioned. Good luck. Rollo (talk) 12:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Section heading arrangement

I have reverted the level-3 heading "Platforms" to the original level-2 "Train halls". The section is independent and discusses all features of the train hall (the main underground cavern of a Métro station), including but not limited to the platforms. Surely a misunderstanding over vocabulary, comments welcome. Rollo (talk) 11:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I think it's the vocabulary that confuses me. I understand that the purpose of the subheading is to discuss the vault and platforms, but--and I hope you will not take this as a criticism--"Train hall" doesn't, to me, sound like an expression in common use for underground or metro stations, whereas "platforms" are commonly used to refer to the part of station through which the trains pass, distinct from corridors, staircases, and ticket halls (but including, obviously, the vault, etc.) But I'm willing to leave it alone if you prefer it thus.--Mole2 (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)--Mole2 (talk) 21:58, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Here I think you're right about "train hall". It's not in common use, and I haven't found a term which is. But the alternative is worse. The platform is what you stand on - specifically, "the raised area between or alongside the tracks of a railroad station, from which the cars of the train are entered". So, inaccurate, especially given that the article specifically discusses platform width. Rollo (talk) 10:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Images

This article needs better images, including one near the top. In particular to better illustrate the different styles of redecoration.Rollo (talk) 11:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I will try to submit some photographs I've taken on my own, but I'm still learning my way around the editing features.--Mole2 (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Go for it. The current ones are taken with a mobile phone and it shows.Rollo (talk) 10:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Signage

How would you feel about a section on the typography used on the métro? The current renovation program is removing the all-caps, Univers-inspired font plaques with the typeface designed especially for the métro, called "Parisine."--Mole2 (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent idea. This is a missing detail. Rollo (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Tricoire

The references are entered as Tricoire 2005a, but the date was set to 1999. What version of the book is in use for this article ?

The latest is from 2004: Tricoire, Jean (2004). Un siècle de métro en 14 lignes: de Bienvenüe à Météor (3rd ed.). La Vie du rail. ISBN 978-2-915034-32-5. (367 pages). --Anneyh (talk) 07:38, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

File:Station-metro-paris-totem.jpg Nominated for Deletion

An image used in this article, File:Station-metro-paris-totem.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests November 2011 What should I do? Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so. If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use) If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used. This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 16:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC)