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Would benefit from a longer lead, and more detailed summary-style of subarticles. Geometry guy 20:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 20:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 08:14, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Aristoteles

A reply in portuguese here, just opinion about the name in english:

O nome no mundo inteiro é mais próximo do original Aristoteles, em português é Aristóteles, em turco o nome é o original, tal qual em latim, em espanhol também fala-se Aristóteles. Acho que o inglês etimologicamente está muito atrás dos outros idiomas, falando-se em alguns nomes gregos e latinos. Uma língua germânica proeminente que é o alemão, usa o nome original mesmo que não seja muito foneticamente familiar a língua alemã. Acho que o inglês deveria considerar o original Aristoteles correto também, é fato que a maioria das adaptações do grego está melhor exemplificada em língua neo-latinas que no inglês, que praticamente "traduz" nomes pra ficarem mais familiares. Apenas uma critica construtiva a essa versão Aristotle, que ignora o "e" ser após o "t" e exclui o "s" do final da palavra. Como é cultural, acho que não seria razoável, somente agora mudar esse nome, mas considerar Aristoteles correto seria digno. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.65.210.165 (talk) 21:44, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Aristotle was not proved wrong by Galileo

Under the Aristotle's Epistemology section, it is written "In a similar vein, John Philoponus, and later Galileo, showed by simple experiments that Aristotle's theory that a heavier object falls faster than a lighter object is incorrect.[29]" This sentence is wrong, and I suggest that it be deleted. If you take a look at the stanford encyclopedia of philosophy article on Galileo, you'll note that it wasn't Galileo's experiment that was used as proof, but an argument that supposedly revealed a paradox in Aristotle's thought. Furthermore, to take the famous science historian's word, Thomas S. Kuhn: "Today every schoolboy knows that heavy bodies and light bodies fall together. But the schoolboy is wrong and so is this story. In the everyday world, as Aristotle saw, heavy bodies do fall faster than light ones.... Galileo's law is more useful to science than Aristotle's, not because it represents experience more perfectly, but because it goes behind the superficial regularity disclosed by the senses to a more essential, but hidden, aspect of motion. To verify Galileo's law by observation demands special equipment; the unaided senses will not yield or confirm it. Galileo himself got the law not from observation, at least not from new observation, but by chain of logical arguments... Probably he did not perform the experiment at the tower of Pisa. That was performed by one of his critics, and the result supported Aristotle. The heavy body did hit the ground first." (page 94 of Kuhn's "The Copernican Revolution") Since this will take some explanation of how Galileo only logically countered Aristotle's theory, this sentence is misleading and should be deleted. Tomdoerksen (talk) 20:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC) Tomdoerksen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomdoerksen (talk • contribs) 17:12, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

For us to take the claim made by Kuhn - that what is taught in schools around the world as accepted physics is wrong - would require more sourcing than merely one person's assertion. -- Irn (talk) 00:20, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Some partisan matter in the article

According to the information quoted from Britannica Encyclopedia Aristotle was the first genuine scientist but I must tell you all that Aryabhatt was born before him and died before him and was far superior in his works. He was a great mathematician and an astronomer. He did considerable work in algebra and trigonometry and discovered zero. And according to me quoting Britannica is not right because they sell knowledge Wikipedia doesn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cac24 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I have removed that statement from the article. I checked a more recent (2010) edition of the cited work, and that statement no longer appears. Also, the quotation was misleadingly attributed to the "Encyclopedia Britannica", while the actual source is merely published by "Britannica Education Publishing". The statement was not one of fact, but of opinion, and I do not think the source is one that is a credible authority whose opinion Wikipedia should present (in violation of maintaining a neutral point of view). Also, it is contradicted by historical fact. Not only Aryabhatt, but also Hippocrates was born before Aristotle. If these were not "genuine scientists", then I fear that the term "genuine scientist" has meaning only to the author of the quotation. Sławomir Biały (talk) 13:38, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2016

In Stagira, Chalkidice in the ancient Greek State Macedonia ("Μακεδονία")

150.101.21.136 (talk) 04:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:57, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Metaphysics

The article states that 'Aristotle defines metaphysics as "the knowledge of immaterial being," or of "being in the highest degree of abstraction."

Other sources state the Aristotle never used the term "Metaphysics" (e.g. "Many point out that Aristotle did not name any of his works Metaphysics and he never uses the term “metaphysics” or its cognates." Giorgios Anagostopulos in A Companion to Aristotle)

If Aristotle did indeed define metaphysics the article should state where. Dmacauley (talk) 08:41, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Added Archives

Here is a list of archives/accessdates that I added to this article.

Reference edited	Actions taken
Biography of Aristotle	+archive_url, date (archived on 13 March 2014)
Behind the Name: Meaning, Origin and History of the Name "Aristotle"	+archive_url, date (archived on 23 March 2012)
Aristotle: Motion and its Place in Nature	+access_date (first seen 6 September 2010)
Evolution	+access_date (first seen 2 July 2015);+archive_url, date (archived on 5 September 2015)
Evolution	+access_date (first seen 7 November 2015)
Aristotle on Memory and Recollection	+access_date (first seen 2 July 2015)
The Book of Memory: A Study of Memory in Medieval Culture	+access_date (first seen 2 July 2015)
A History of the Association Psychology	+access_date (first seen 2 July 2015)
Aristotle on Dreaming: What Goes on in Sleep when the 'Big Fire' goes out	+archive_url, date (archived on 17 July 2014)
New Reconstruction, includes Greek text	+access_date (first seen 31 May 2015);+archive_url, date (archived on 31 May 2015)
Was Aristotle's Biology Sexist?	+access_date (first seen 15 June 2012)
Rhetoric	+access_date (first seen 27 December 2014)
Aristotles Poetics	+access_date (first seen 2 June 2015)

--Tim1357 ^talk|poke 04:41, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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Birth Place in infobox

In 384 BC Chalkidiki wasn't considered apart of the Kingdom of Macedon? Remove the "Kingdom of Macedon". 101.190.172.235 (talk) 05:59, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2016

Remove "Kingdom of Macedon" under birthplace in infobox as the Chalcidice (Chalkidiki) was not considered apart of Macedon at that time

101.190.172.235 (talk) 06:00, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:34, 28 October 2016 (UTC)