Talk:Arjona

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Not moved. bd2412 T 02:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Arjona → Arjona (disambiguation) – And redirect Arjona to Ricardo Arjona. Ricardo Arjona is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, as he is usually called by both "Ricardo Arjona" or simply "Arjona" (see Ricardo Arjona#References). "Arjona" alone gives more than 30K hits, most of them referring to him. "Ricardo Arjona" gives 28K, "Arjona, Colombia" gives 4K, and "Arjona, Spain" 1K. Note: While I did this RM, I found more "Arjonas", which I will add, but neither of them seem to be as famous as Ricardo. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:47, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - he is known as "Ricardo Arjona" not "Arjona." The primary is probably the town in Colombia. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:53, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

  Why Colombia? Below capmo said Spain. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Well Capmo is right, in printed sources it is the Spain one: "de Arjona". But back to the RM, half of his CD covers at Amazon.com have "Ricardo Arjona" on them. That fact alone rules out this move. Sorry. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:29, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - I don't think it's possible to establish who is the most prominent among the persons cited. Internet search results are not a good parameter. In spite of that, all of them and even the Colombian city took their names from Arjona, Spain, a city whose history goes back to Roman times, for this reason being the primary article on the Spanish Wikipedia. —capmo (talk) 13:00, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

  We go by English references see Inés Sainz RM (now it is titled "Inés", but the last time I checked it was "Ines"). Billboard called him "Arjona" in a headline. As I said, he is called and most of the time named "Ricardo Arjona", but sometimes he is simple referred as Arjona. This RM is not to move "Ricardo Arjona" to "Arjona"; it is to make a redirect. If Spanish Wikipedia names an article with an appropiate title is because they have their rules and guidelines (in fact WP:NAMB or WP:BLANKING doesn't exist there). We don't name Falkland Islands as "Malvinas Islands" or they rename es:Islas Malvinas to "es:Islas Falkland, right? Each wiki is independent. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support In the spanish world, when you say Arjona, everyone thinks of Ricardo. He even promotes himself as Arjona in world tours and several albums (See his tenth album, where he used only his last name). Although the Spanish city come from the Roman empire times, spanish culture rarely refers to as Arjona to talk about something that is not the singer. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 16:57, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support. Agreed with Tbotch and hahc.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 18:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Arjona -"Ricardo Arjona" does not indicate that Ricardo is the primary topic for the title "Arjona" alone."ricardo+arjona" People are often referred to by their surnames, but there is no indication that in English people are referring to this Arjona without his given name. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:59, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Either one of the cities is likely to have much longer lasting primary significance than a current popular singer. bd2412 T 15:51, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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