Talk:Armand Duplantis

1.81 meter vs 5'11

Math? E.Polti (talk) 18:50, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

That's an automatic conversion that gives the same as {{Convert|1.81|m|ftin}} i.e."1.81 metres (5 ft 11 in)". What's the problem exactly? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

5 ft 11 in corresponds to the interval 70.5″ to 71.5″, witch, in SI units, is 179.07 cm to 181.61 cm. Therefore 5′11″ is quite consistent with 181 cm. —Wasell^(T) 18:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

2019 NCAA Division 1 Outdoor Track and Field Championship

Should his runner-up finish at the 2019 NCAA Division 1 Outdoor Track and Field Championship be listed? 2601:3C8:427F:5060:8871:B403:9295:DEA9 (talk) 21:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Usonian?

I’m sorry what? 2001:4643:1E4C:0:50B8:F66C:9017:D6C1 (talk) 21:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Usonian?

I see this is a term invented by Frank Lloyd Wright. I’m assuming this guy updated the article himself to take out the word American? He seems to disdain his American roots. Is that why this bizarre word is used in this article? 162.84.200.66 (talk) 21:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Some gibberish IP user(s) just want to disrupt or vandalize the article, it was now reverted. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 21:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Replace "jump" with "vault"?

I see the word "jump" is used 30 times in the article, e.g. "with a jump of 6.00 m", "Duplantis jumped 5.75 m", etc. I thought the correct term was "vault"/"vaulted" etc. Or is this a difference between English/Australian usage (I'm Australian) and American. Adpete (talk) 05:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 11 August 2024

Armand Duplantis → Mondo Duplantis – He uses his nickname instead of his full name on all the major social media sites and Mondo Duplantis seems very common in news coverage as well. The combination of these two factors prompted me to start a discussion on how to name the article. Killuminator (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Strong Oppose. He competes under his given name. Marbe166 (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Question That his full name is used in official contexts is not reason alone for it to be the title, nor is the fact that he uses the nickname for his social media channels a reason alone to change it. Instead, the question is what appears more often in reliable sources per the WP:COMMONNAME policy. This is not a !vote so much as a question on if anything has been dug up to point to an answer one way or another?--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, per the reason given by Marbe166 above. /Julle (talk) 09:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Support as he is far and away more widely known in popular culture as Mondo. Ultimatescapegoat (talk) 15:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support: he is referred to as "Mondo" in most RS. Even if RS where the headline says "Armand", they usually mention that he goes by "Mondo" and refer to him as either "Mondo" or "Duplantis" in the rest of the article.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 23:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: After looking more closely at different RS, I can no longer support my own justification. I looked at NYTimes, BBC, Reuters, AP News, Reuters, and CNN, and NYTimes and CNN are the only sources that have more mentions of results for "Mondo Duplantis" than for "Armand Duplantis". This parallels what Jähmefyysikko said below. Thus, I think status quo should be maintained.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 06:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Showing sources and references to Wikipedia guidelines can help. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Louisiana, WikiProject Biography/Sports and games, WikiProject Sweden, WikiProject Olympics, WikiProject Athletics, WikiProject United States, and WikiProject Biography have been notified of this discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. According to Google Trends, "Mondo Duplantis" is the more common search term in the US (twice as popular as "Armand Duplantis"), but elsewhere in the world (including other English-speaking countries) "Armand Duplantis" is more common. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 06:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Very relevant observation, another argument not to move. Marbe166 (talk) 07:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I checked a Swedish newspaper archive, and Mondo Duplantis gave 4077 hits, 2396 out of those where for Armand Mondo Duplantis, leaving around 1700 hits for Mondo Duplantis without Armand. Armand Duplantis with no Mondo in between gave 25137 hits. Now, this is the English Wikipedia and it's not beholden to what other languages decides to do, but since he competes for Sweden, I figured this might be a potentially relevant piece of data. /Julle (talk) 08:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose He is still known as Armand, though. I would say that this is a case where his nickname is very common but is still recognised as only his nickname, it's not a case like e.g. Ted Kennedy, of a shortened version of the name replacing it. Kingsif (talk) 10:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Since 'Mondo' is the name used by the majority of sources, it makes more sense to use that as the article title. Waqar💬 14:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

  Iwaqarhashmi: How do you come to that conclusion? Looking at the references section, as of writing, we seem to have 15 reference titles which use Armand Duplantis, 10 which use Mondo Duplantis, and 2 which use Armand "Mondo" Duplantis? /Julle (talk) 15:33, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. While his name was shown as Armand Duplantis in the Olympic coverage, he was invariably referred to as Mondo Duplantis by commentators. Almost all competitors competed under their full names. It means nothing under our practice of using WP:COMMONNAME for article titles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

  That is simply not true. He was not invariably referred to only as Mondo Duplantis. There were differing practices. Marbe166 (talk) 09:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

  Not in anything I heard there weren't. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:13, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment He calls himself Mondo, at least on X, Instagram and Facebook. Does that count for anything in WP:COMMONNAME? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC) p.s. Meadowlark Lemon, Smokey Gaines, Jumping Johnny Wilson, &etc.?

  It's part of the animating spirit behind the proposal, something most of the opposing votes ignore. Killuminator (talk) 13:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

  I see that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople) seems to generally support WP:COMMONNAME. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Questionable Grammar

I'm aware I could just go in and edit but wanted to point out that I found some questionable grammar points while skimming this article. For example:

"Duplantis eventually chose to represent the Swedish Olympic national team instead of the US team, that was after an intervention the Swedish Olympic Pole Vault youth coach, Jonas Anshelm, who had offered and gave a job to Armand's father to be the Swedish national pole vault team coach." Tofflenheim (talk) 02:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Tofflenheim: Please do feel empowered to fix them! /Julle (talk) 09:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Fixed and moved! Minorstab (talk) 01:06, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks both, I will make sure to dive in and edit in the future. Tofflenheim (talk) 05:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'Greatest-ever' claim in Lead

There is absolutely no justification for claiming that this man is the best ever when he's still active and has a long way to go to match the achievements of Sergei Bubka. Even cited sources making thus claim cannot be relied on (yet). Hence, do not revert without discussion here first Billsmith60 (talk) Billsmith60 (talk) 10:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

And why is the Diamond League listed ahead of the European Championships, when it is an invitational event? Why is it in the Infobox at all? Billsmith60 (talk) 10:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Good point, it is not a championship which awards medals. I'll remove it. Marbe166 (talk) 10:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Page protection has been requested Billsmith60 (talk) 16:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Mondo's achievement has surpassed all others. That is the justification. Before Mondo, many held Sergey Bubka as GOAT but he has been surpassed satisfactorily in terms of quality and consistency of dominance.

Removing the diamond league record from the listing inevitably erases part of his significant achievement as consecutive diamond league final winner for 3 seasons. It doesnt have to be a championship or an event with actual medals awarded to be listed there. Many wikioedia pages including the wikipedia page for diamond league list similarly the 1st, 2nd and 3rd positions as Gold, Silver and Bronze respectively — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.66.64.127 (talk) 13:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Your unilateral action to protect the page shows that there is lack of open discussion and democracy here. You claimed there is no just justificastion that Mondo qualifies for the GOAT status, but you also did not explain or justify why he doesnt or why in your position someone else does. In the next four years, unless serious injury prevents him or he decides to take a break from his professional career, we will see the same level of consistency and dominance by Mondo that will unlikely be threatened. By then, he will have his 3rd Olympic title and another five World Championship titles including indoors and outdoors. The writing is clear on the wall. Are you goinh to deny him that accolade again by then? The phrased widely regarded is justified as substantial majority of people has after his 2nd Olympic Gold and his 10th world records considered him to have surpassed Sergey and is the undisputed greatest ever. It allows for a small minority of people who disagreed. It is not as if the edit is saying there is absolute agreement by everyone, i.e. He is regarded as GOAT. Hence there is no issue of absolutism here except for the authoritarian way you have treated me. 115.66.64.127 (talk) 00:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)