Talk:Group army (military unit)

(Redirected from Talk:Army groups of China)
Latest comment: 7 years ago by InternetArchiveBot in topic External links modified

The Group Army or Army Group is a Terrible Translation Mistake

edit

The word "Chinese: 集团军" in Simplified Chinese refers to Combined Arms Armies of the Soviet Army like 6th Army (Soviet Union)(Chinese: 第6集团军), or Armies of the US Army or other nations like 6th Army (Wehrmacht) (Chinese: 第6集团军). So the Chinese: 集团军 of PLA should also be translated as Armies instead of Group Armies or Army Groups.

During its formation in 1985, PLA "Chinese: 集团军s" might be composed of 5 or even 6 divisions, as big as a Soviet Army combined arms army. Then they get smaller and smaller with the downsizing of PLA ground forces.

The word "集团军" in Chinese means "a group("集团") of Corps("军")", as Armies that day were composed of several Corps.

The word "Chinese: " in Simplified Chinese refers to Corps, like V Corps (United States)(Chinese: 第5军(美国)). The "Chinese: s" before 1985 are actually Army Corps(Chinese: 陆军军) stead of Armies. In 1985 all remaining Army Corps are converted and renamed as Armies, so the Relationship between Army Corps and Armies in PLA is as same as that in Soviet Army after 1957.

There were real Army Groups in the history of PLA ground force, as Chinese: 兵团. It is a military formation composing of three or more corps, and under the command of Field Army(Chinese: 野战军).

So MY SUGGESTION is just forget about all those silly translations, and:

  • Use Field Army for "Chinese: 野战军";
  • Use Army Group for "Chinese: 兵团";
  • Use Army for "Chinese: 集团军";
  • Use Army Corps for "Chinese: 陆军军";
  • Use Corps for "Chinese: ";

regards, Nikolai Ezhov 13:21, 19 August 2016 (UTC)~

edit

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Army groups of China. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:48, 18 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

Restructuring of Corps in 2017

edit

PLA is not my strong point, but some of you may be interested in this article: http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2089218/xi-jinping-plans-first-shake-chinese-army-corps-names CsikosLo (talk) 12:18, 25 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yes, new OrBat : http://www.scramble.nl/orbats/china/army L'amateur d'aéroplanes (talk) 07:04, 13 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

edit

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Army groups of China. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:20, 9 July 2017 (UTC)Reply