Talk:Arne Sølvberg

Quotations

Marcel, I think you handled the quotations well, for the most part, in this article. I reworded part of the Biography, because you had copied the material in verbatim from a copy-righted source. It was easy to do in this instance. May I venture to suggest that that approach -- rewording verbatim passages instead of just pasting them in -- be something you might try at the outset of articles you create?

Personally, I wonder about the notability of this gentleman, but I know nothing of the field. The article really just seems like an elaborate CV for him, but that's for folks in your field to decide I guess. Bacrito (talk) 07:47, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this feedback, and rewording. I will be the first to admitt there are things to improve in my writing... and I welcome your effort to do so. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 09:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Modelling of IT systems in a cross-competence world (section)

I did remove the following section after all:

According to Sølvberg (2007) the "deep penetration of computers in all realms of society makes technological change the key driver for changing our lives. This will result in a change in approach, from viewing the role of information technology to mainly support the other disciplines, to the integration of IT knowledge with domain-specific knowledge. Because information technology provides component solutions to almost every other discipline we experience increasing fragmentation pressures on the discipline of IT itself. Every domain where IT is used seems to contain seeds for creating their own kind of discipline where IT concepts, tools and theory are integrated into the modelling theories of the supported disciplines".

And this "is evidenced by labelling like, e.g., medical informatics, organisational informatics, and industrial informatics. And we sometimes see that common IT knowledge is reinvented in new application settings. The basic IT knowledge needed is similar for the different application domains. But in order to apply computers effectively there is also a need for cross-discipline competences. IT professionals must know how to apply IT in the different application domains, and those that have the domain knowledge must know enough of IT to be able to participate in enlightened discussions with the IT professionals".

It seems to me I should refraise those quotes in my own words, at least don't use that long a quotation, and maybe even find some more sources...!? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 11:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Notability

Regarding notability I believe Arne Sølvberg to be one of the first international known Norwegian computer scientists. His name came poping up in the "European" publications and that is why I started an articla about this. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 09:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for explaining your process there. Personally, I think you may have set too low a threshold for notability there, however. I don't mean in regard to Mr. Sølvberg -- determining specific notability is a very tricky thing, and others with knowledge of the field need to hash that out -- but, if, in general, you're generating many biographies of living persons based on their names simply "popping up" in publications, I worry that you may create more articles, with more possible questions of notability, than you might want to have to cope with, especially if much of the content is a verbatim recreation of material available elsewhere. Bacrito (talk) 00:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I don't share your concerns. This was just an short expression. There is a lot more to it. This article is part of a series on enterprise modelling, see here, I am working on. And I am writing about specialists from all over the world. To be true I don't exactly know their exact notability to begin with. But there is an other point to it. I often learn more about their work and add an other layer later on. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 00:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

For example Arne Sølvberg, and David Kung wrote "An Introduction to Information Systems Engineering" in 1993, and this is interesting. He is a member of the 1980s/90s systems development generation with people like Tom DeMarco and Edward Yourdon. They where real famous in the 1980s (if I am not mistaken) but their methodology got overruled in the 1990s and the interest in their work has sort of fade. I did started to write about their work... but not yet about Sølvberg. It is all interesting from a more historical point of view. And... it is is a work in progress here. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 01:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

And just for the record. There is sort of a unity in the Scandinavian computer science community with:

• Börje Langefors (1915), representative from a pioneering generation that still started in industry
• Janis Bubenko, John Impagliazzo, Arne Sølvberg (1940) and others that sort of founded the field of information modelling within computer science.
• John Krogstie (1967) among others which are more or less a first academic generation of computer scientists specialized in conceptual modeling.

So has been an other motive why I started this article to begin with. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 02:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)